Uni Students

[UK|AL]

Yeah just like how companys can browse their employees facebook profiles, and fire them for drunken tagged pictures is morally correct.

Work life and private life should be seprate for this reason.

What next? Education & work telling who I can, and can't go out with?

Because this is exactly the same type of problem, they are putting their hands where their hands should not be!

It's out of there jurisdiction, and rightfully so. If this happened on University property, that's ok but I don't want people putting their hands into my private life because of the fact that it's ment to be private.

What the op described is a private matter, since it happened on private property and not on University property makes this dispute completly unrelated to the University. This could have happened to a non student and nothing would have come of this.

This is a abstract out of my University code of conduct.

"Conduct in relation to this Code means the conduct of any student or students on University premises, or during University activities elsewhere"

Their rules do not apply outside of University premises or University activities, which this situation clearly breaches on!

 

[Barks]

That my friend is a very good point.

As for the previous bloke. I don't have a problem with people in positions of authority, I have a problem with people who think that they are when really they aren't that important.

 

[UK|AL]

Can anyone argue against my argument? Or have you ran out of moral high ground?

 

[Barks]

Can anyone argue against my argument? Or have you ran out of moral high ground?

What do you reckon to this mate:

Scope
These procedures apply to student behaviour in the University, and this extends to all
buildings and grounds belonging to the University, including University Residences,
Sports Grounds, the University Farms and the University Research Vessel. The
procedures shall also apply to acts of misconduct committed outside the University when
a student is away in a University context, or when it is found that there is some link to the
University or its reputation. Discipline of students within the Union Society building shall
be the responsibility of officials of the Union Society nominated by the Society. The
Union Society has an agreement with the University which identifies matters which it will
report as a matter of course to the University and matters which it will report to the Police.
The agreement is subject to annual review. Examination and other assessment
irregularities are dealt with in accordance with the University "Procedure for Assessment
Irregularities"

That is really all I could find regarding this matter:
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/student-progress/documents/DisciplinaryProc.pdf

 

[UK|AL]

Is that your uni?

Because mine does not say that. oh well your screwed.

 

[Barks]

It's a bit grey though.

Jesus it's like me getting arrested for rape/murder and having the university come along and say "oh noes you tarnished our name" and give me another £30 fine.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

OP you played loud music late at night....just pay the fine and don't do it again

 

[Barks]

I don't care about the fine I care about the fact this has gone on my student file.

I also care that other students will have been punished illegally and unnecessarily.

Technically I could be a real bitch about this and refuse to pay anything until they define their code of conduct in terms of this incident and explain why they can fine me.

 

[muon]

That in your code of conduct?

If it is, then the fact that you agreed to it when enrolling gives them the ability to fine you.

Depends on whether the code of conduct gives them jurisdiction outside the university. I'm not even sure a code of conduct could even do that.

 

[Energize]

Depends on whether the code of conduct gives them jurisdiction outside the university. I'm not even sure a code of conduct could even do that.

You could try to argue against it under the unfair contract terms act 1977.

 

[firstborn]

Technically I could be a real bitch about this and refuse to pay anything until they define their code of conduct in terms of this incident and explain why they can fine me.

And then they don't allow you to re-register/graduate. Is the grief really worth being uppity about a £30 fine. As for it being on your file, what impact is that really going to have unless you intend carrying on as accused. I agree with Alex2001 and Burnsy2023. Just man up and pay the fine, then brag about it on facebook and bitch about it some more.

 

[Barks]

And then they don't allow you to re-register/graduate. Is the grief really worth being uppity about a £30 fine. As for it being on your file, what impact is that really going to have unless you intend carrying on as accused. I agree with Alex2001 and Burnsy2023. Just man up and pay the fine, then brag about it on facebook and bitch about it some more.

That is illegal and no university would risk doing that unless their student had committed a severe offence.

 

[firstborn]

That is illegal and no university would risk doing that unless their student had committed a severe offence.

You can be refused your degree if you owe £1.20 for a library fine.

 

[FrostedNipple]

How did the uni even find out? I had a meeting with my college master. It was one i organised with him, so not compulsory or arranged by him, yet my e-mail confirmation of the date still said if i missed it i would be fined £25. One of my mates sprayed a fire extinguisher everywhere, some **** dobbed him in and he got a £50 fine and was forced to do £70's worth of work for the cleaners on campus.

Seems uni's are there to make money first and give people degrees second.

 

[Amp34]

I assume this was over christmas? If not and it was over the summer I would say theuni don't have a leg to stand on. There is a reason you "enroll" every Autumn, because after you finish your year you are not a student until you enroll again.

Even though I used to have a housemate who spent his life playing loud music and causing hell I agree with the OP in principle (for the fine). I don't think it is just and you should fight it all the way. Unfortunately the uni seem to have stuck a giant catch all in your contract do you seem to be ******!

Unfortunately it seems to be standard for life now that eduation and employers have everyone by the balls from a young age, for heavens sake you cant even take your child out of school for a holiday without the threat of a fine and probably a prison sentence.

 

[Rroff]

To the people saying he should man up and pay the fine... while I don't have much respect for inconsiderate people especially playing music at 3am atleast he had the balls to take the responsibility for it and say "I was to blame" rather than trying to shift the blame as most people do.

Personally I think the uni is bang out of order in this context - if it had occurred on university property then maybe it would be justified - I can see the possibility that it might be an issue if they were identified as students having an impact on the reputation of the university but the correct procedure here would be a written disciplinary NOT a FINE.

I'm sorry but I do NOT see the university as being in a position of authority to levy a fine in this context. Theres no damage to redress for a start.

 

[Barks]

How did the uni even find out? I had a meeting with my college master. It was one i organised with him, so not compulsory or arranged by him, yet my e-mail confirmation of the date still said if i missed it i would be fined £25. One of my mates sprayed a fire extinguisher everywhere, some **** dobbed him in and he got a £50 fine and was forced to do £70's worth of work for the cleaners on campus.

Seems uni's are there to make money first and give people degrees second.

People complain to the university. They obviously haven't heard of the police force and do it purely to get back at us students, and our street is supergrass on tap.

I also cannot believe during our meeting she threatened that I could be fined again if they received a complaint during any house parties we could hold. She said even if you warn all your neighbours, if we receive a complaint you can be fined. That in itself has no respect whatsoever for the rights of someone renting out private property.

To be fair about your mate, I agree that the university should be able to offer fines for incidents on campus and in university accommodation, but certainly NOT private property for which they should have no legal jurisdiction.

 

[Energize]

One of my mates sprayed a fire extinguisher everywhere, some **** dobbed him in and he got a £50 fine and was forced to do £70's worth of work for the cleaners on campus.

Good, cleaners aren't employed to clean up after idiots messing with fire extinguishers, if there had been a fire with no extinguishers that would have been really good wouldn't it?

 

[Pestilence]

Seems to me that you're being fined for bringing the name of the University into disrepute.

I don't believe that what happens behind private doors should be policed by private organisations such as a University, however that's not really the issue.

What IS the issue, is that whoever complained would have been thinking "******* students!" in regards to your University. That gives a bad name to the Uni, which is part of the particular Uni code you have posted. In this regard, you need to pay.

It is a very tough issue and I'm torn myself, but when you think about it they're not doing you for being drunk and playing loud music - that's what the police have done. What the Uni is doing, is fining you for affecting the view of their student populace, as per their terms. That is fair.

Pay it and move on.

 

[a1ex2001]

People complain to the university. They obviously haven't heard of the police force and do it purely to get back at us students, and our street is supergrass on tap.

I also cannot believe during our meeting she threatened that I could be fined again if they received a complaint during any house parties we could hold. She said even if you warn all your neighbours, if we receive a complaint you can be fined. That in itself has no respect whatsoever for the rights of someone renting out private property.

To be fair about your mate, I agree that the university should be able to offer fines for incidents on campus and in university accommodation, but certainly NOT private property for which they should have no legal jurisdiction.

They don't do it 'Purely to get back at us Students' They do it because your loud music is effecting there quality of life, believe me when you need to get up for work in the morning at 6am and the idiot next door is playing his stereo till 3am you'd be straight on the phone to the uni. It is often easier than ringing the police and normally gets quicker results, the police and council take time.

I love the way that you think telling your neighbours your having a party makes it ok! Does that mean that if I tell my neighbour I'm going to wake him up practicing my electric guitar at 6am it's ok? You don't tell your neighbours you ask them if it's ok it's called being polite and considerate.

We have seen no evidence in this thread that what the Uni is doing is illegal so please stop saying it is.

Good, cleaners aren't employed to clean up after idiots messing with fire extinguishers, if there had been a fire with no extinguishers that would have been really good wouldn't it?

Totaly agree with that, and the reason some 'knobber' grassed your idiot mate up is because if the uni don't get a name they will divide the fine amongst the block in which the offence occured and it hardly seems fair for everyone to pay for your mates drunken hilarity now does it? It happens at 99% of Uni's it's the same with fire alarms etc.