UK is "officially" in recession

LordSplodge · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:16

mattheman said:
there were no benefits, infact its cost this government money.

Incorrect. Immigrants filled jobs that British people refused to do because they are hard work and low paid so your average British scrounger would be better off on the dole. Or as I like tot call it the Lawyer Syndrome, everybody thinks they can be a Doctor or Lawyer or some other high end profession and refuses to do manual work.

DominicStar · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:18

Chimerical said:
Dunno how they caused how prices to rise. If you take the typical Eastern European stereotype working as a plumber, then I hardly see how they're living in nice houses.

Do you not read the Sun? They live it up in Mayfair mansions....

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:19

LordSplodge said:
Incorrect. Immigrants filled jobs that British people refused to do because they are hard work and low paid so your average British scrounger would be better off on the dole.

You are wrong dear friend, a recent report sugests that mass immigration has and will cost this country for decades. i think anyone would be hard working if the level of wages her could buy them a property in their own country, plus labour have let down the working class and white families.

Chimerical · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:20

DominicStar said:
Do you not read the Sun? They live it up in Mayfair mansions....

*grabs pitchfork*

Dunks · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:20

I suppose now those "OMG ITS NOT A TRUE RECESSION" people can be quiet now.

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:21

Chimerical said:
Dunno how they caused how prices to rise. If you take the typical Eastern European stereotype working as a plumber, then I hardly see how they're living in nice houses.

well think about what you said.

LordSplodge · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:23

mattheman said:
You are wrong dear friend, a recent report sugests that mass immigration has and will cost this country for decades. i think anyone would be hard working if the level of wages her could buy them a property in their own country, plus labour have let down the working class and white families.

Of course immigration costs. I wasn't saying that. You said they brought no benefit to the UK and that, my dear friend, is incorrect.

Working class families in the UK in some respects have themselves to blame for being unwilling to do the work instead relying on easy to obtain benefits.

Chimerical · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:23

mattheman said:
well think about what you said.

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:25

LordSplodge said:
Of course immigration costs. I wasn't saying that. You said they brought no benefit to the UK and that, my dear friend, is incorrect.

Working class families in the UK in some respects have themselves to blame for being unwilling to do the work instead relying on easy to obtain benefits.

sorry you have no understanding about the way they were pushed out of jobs and forced to take handouts, and no immigration has brought any benefits for the local community or economic.

DominicStar · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:27

Whether its an immigrant or someone indigenous doing the job, receiving the same postcode policing and healthcare costs the same surely?

LordSplodge · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:30

mattheman said:
sorry you have no understanding about the way they were pushed out of jobs and forced to take handouts, and no immigration has brought any benefits for the local community or economic.

No benefits for the economy? So a reliable cheap labour source brings no economic values?

They weren't pushed out of jobs they just refused to adapt and found it easier to be on benefits (that the immigrants cannot claim) after all who's going to work real hard for peanuts when you can get you rent paid, fag money and your council tax paid for free?

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:30

Chimerical said:
Dunno how they caused house prices to rise. If you take the typical Eastern European stereotype working as a plumber, then I hardly see how they're living in nice houses.

More immigrants push up rental costs, and limit the number of cheapo properties, pushing other properties into newer levels.
Then you have the regulations inforced by labour with meant social housing was reduced, while pushing shared ownership.

Infact you could say labour have created a never going to own a home class, and really have messed up the life of future generations anyone under 35.

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:33

LordSplodge said:
No benefits for the economy? So a reliable cheap labour source brings no economic values?

They weren't pushed out of jobs they just refused to adapt and found it easier to be on benefits (that the immigrants cannot claim) after all who's going to work real hard for peanuts when you can get you rent paid, fag money and your council tax paid for free?

what about people getting tax credits?

Edinho · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:33

"No more boom and bust!"

Has to be quote of the millenium.

LordSplodge · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:33

mattheman said:
Infact you could say Labour have created a never going to own a home class, and really have messed up the life of future generations anyone under 35.

I'm under 35 and Labour haven't messed my life up. Nor have they helped. I have succeed in life (I.e. nice home, nice car, nice job) because I got off my backside and worked - hard. Including doing some crappy jobs when I was younger.

LordSplodge · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:35

mattheman said:
what about people getting tax credits?

What about Tax Credits?

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:35

LordSplodge said:
I'm under 35 and Labour haven't messed my life up. Nor have they helped. I have succeed in life (I.e. nice home, nice car, nice job) because I got off my backside and worked - hard. Including doing some crappy jobs when I was younger.

do you have debts?

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:36

LordSplodge said:
What about Tax Credits?

well huge amount of people rely on tax credits, thats a benefit.

so cheap that they couldnt afford too work, wages kept low look at tax credits (economic subsidy) to make up your wage packet.

DominicStar · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:38

mattheman said:
Then you have the regulations inforced by labour with meant social housing was reduced, while pushing shared ownership.

Infact you could say labour have created a never going to own a home class, and really have messed up the life of future generations anyone under 35.

I joined the housing list in 1995 and it was iirc 15 years estimated at the time for me to get a council house. Property in my area was already at that time out of my price range.

Unlike the last government they at least have a policy on housebuilding. It may not be great but at least there is an effort.

I moved north for a slower lifestyle, nicer scenery, friendlier people and Ive worked damned hard to buy a flat and make some sort of life for myself. I incurred debt because credit was easy to come by and I wanted immediate gratification. Not because immigration was so high that I had to take out a loan or card to have that computer or a television now. To me its managable, now Im just sitting tight, working hard and riding things out.

mattheman · 23 Jan 2009 at 15:42

DominicStar said:
I joined the housing list in 1995 and it was iirc 15 years estimated at the time for me to get a council house. Property in my area was already at that time out of my price range.

Unlike the last government they at least have a policy on housebuilding. It may not be great but at least there is an effort.

So if in 1995 property was out of your price range, when it was at an all time low, now its at a altime high and wages are at an altime low.
labour ristricted house building in this country.
it was easy to get social housing under the last government, much harder now.