I paid the fine

Burned_Alive · 23 Jan 2009 at 23:12

You wont be doing that again then!

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meghatronic · 23 Jan 2009 at 23:16

OMG are you still on this?

You're a student, go out and get drunk.

If I made my mate sign a contract saying I could fine him £30 if he touched my car. How on earth could I have the legal ability to enforce this?

Breach of contract? I dunno.

frosty03 · 23 Jan 2009 at 23:40

scott212 said:
I personally hate grey areas of the law. If it is deemed universities can fine their students, the Government should publish legislation allowing them to do so and set guidelines on what is and isn't acceptable. Although personally I believe the universities should discipline their students in a non-financial matter, as for reasons outlined above.

What is wrong with that?

Get used to it. Many companies and employers WILL fire you if you bring their business into disrepute, regardless if you did it in "private time" or not.

So will many professional bodies.

Not saying that I agree with it. I too take the view that private and work life is separate, but it is their money/party and they can do whatever they like to you.

Barks · 23 Jan 2009 at 23:47

Will "fire" you. That is my point. Firing someone and chucking them off their course is entirely different to issuing fines.

Fyebot · 23 Jan 2009 at 23:52

BigglesPiP said:
Link to original thread please.

The university can do this, you signed a piece of paper that lets them, you agreed that they can.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17966424&highlight=university+fine

frosty03 · 24 Jan 2009 at 00:22

scott212 said:
Will "fire" you. That is my point. Firing someone and chucking them off their course is entirely different to issuing fines.

No it isnt. They are just different ends of the "discipline' spectrum.

If you refuse to pay the fine, they you get chucked off for "that". Translated into industry, if you refuse to "Accept" a "warning" or similar sanction, then you get fired for that, not for the original infringement.

Its simple really. There is no "law" that "allows" them to issue fines. They are a "private body", and there exists a contract between you and them, to each abide by the others rules. You break it or dont agree with it, you get chucked out. By all means refuse to pay the fine, they dont "have" to let you back in. Similarly they didnt "have" to fine you, they could just have suspended you for 3 months. It is their discretion, upto you if you want to co-operate. The fine could have been a lot higher if they wanted it, since again there is no "law" that sets a guide for fines/infringement.

There similarly is no law that states that a Uni HAS to accept a particular student, especially if that student has broken one of its regulations.

Deadly Ferret · 24 Jan 2009 at 00:49

I am deeply concerned by the increasing tendency of both governmental and non-governmental bodies to fine people as a form of punishment/disciplinary measure.

Scott made a very good point, that of the wildly variable effect a given fine will have on people of different means.

Putting to one side the vexed matter of dodgy sentencing, prison terms are a fair punishment because one year imprisonment is exactly that to any and every body: one year of freedom lost. A £30 fine, however, is not a fair and equal punishment, because to one poor soul it can mean the loss of three weeks disposable income, whereas to another it might just mean having one bottle of champagne on a night out rather than two. The gulf is considerable. The punishment is harsh for some, barely noticeable to others.

A punishment should have the same negative effect on all upon whom it is imposed!