Guardsman pushes idiot

dirtydog · 24 Jan 2009 at 13:46

Chasser said:
As I said before, cut the lad some slack. He will be in for it, lets hope his CO has a backbone and won't buckle to the opinions of Daily Mail readers.

I bet a lot of Daily Mail readers like myself will be perfectly sympathetic towards the soldier

Chasser · 24 Jan 2009 at 13:51

dirtydog said:
I bet a lot of Daily Mail readers like myself will be perfectly sympathetic towards the soldier

Apologies, my bad, generalising again, ironically like many others in this thread.

dirtydog · 24 Jan 2009 at 13:52

dirtydog · 24 Jan 2009 at 13:53

Read the comments on the Daily Mail link - the soldier has plenty of support there

Energize · 24 Jan 2009 at 13:58

Skull said:
The idea that there could be a reciprocal duty owed to the community never even crosses the public's mind.

All that was happening was a tourist making fun of someone, how can you justify that as an offence when no one is being harmed? It's would be a victimless crime like so many others these days.

Chasser · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:06

dirtydog said:
Read the comments on the Daily Mail link - the soldier has plenty of support there

There most certainly is.

One thing puzzles me, if the incident took place earlier in the week (as I gather from the reports, please correct me if I am wrong), why are the trees in full leaf? I suspect this is old, and the papers have only just got hold of it.

dirtydog · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:10

Chasser said:
There most certainly is.

One thing puzzles me, if the incident took place earlier in the week (as I gather from the reports, please correct me if I am wrong), why are the trees in full leaf? I suspect this is old, and the papers have only just got hold of it.

Good point about the trees, I never thought of that. Although a quick re-read of the article doesn't seem to mention when it happened, unless I missed it. The fact that the soldier is only to be identified and spoken to now, is probably because his superiors would have been unaware of it until the media broke the story. Understandably the soldier won't have felt the need to inform his superiors about it

Chasser · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:28

dirtydog said:
Although a quick re-read of the article doesn't seem to mention when it happened, unless I missed it.

Yep, after a re-read, it doesn't. Likewise in other reports across the web, none point to exactly when it took place. The way they have been written implies it was a very recent event. Journos 'eh.

meghatronic · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:40

Energize said:
All that was happening was a tourist making fun of someone, how can you justify that as an offence when no one is being harmed? It's would be a victimless crime like so many others these days.

You don't have to touch someone to assault them. It could be argued he was acting in self-defence.

deuse · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:49

shifty_uk said:
I would've stuck my bayonet up that boys trumpet.

And then some

Will Lucky · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:57

shifty_uk said:
I would've stuck my bayonet up that boys trumpet.

That would have actually been news worthy unlike this rubbish.

Energize · 24 Jan 2009 at 14:59

meghatronic said:
You don't have to touch someone to assault them. It could be argued he was acting in self-defence.

But he wasn't assaulting him under any definition otherwise he would have been arrested, assault is illegal, this was not.

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:03

cheets64 said:
He has disrespected the country and the Queen, no mater what you think, the guardsmen bring in a lot of tourism, does this set a good or bad example to tourism, do we want a load of tourists acting like that in the country.

He broke he is not good enough for the job. Simple, would and officer risk putting him out again knowing the reaction he takes? Look a the bayonet, ffs.

He is also a human and they are all prone to a bad day.

What was going on behind the scenes ? Marriage difficulties ? Bad news ? Who knows. It is unprecedented for a guard to do that but I give him the benefit of the doubt, no matter how unprofessional it looks but I only give it once.

On the subject of disrespect, perhaps Mr Tourist will think twice next time.

Shoseki · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:08

There are loads of idiots in real life. You don't assault them, whether you're a guardsmen or not.

To be honest they should throw the book at him, the guardsmen are awesome and it would show how strict they are, even at their own kind.

meghatronic · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:10

Energize said:
But he wasn't assaulting him under any definition otherwise he would have been arrested, assault is illegal, this was not.

Then the same stands for the guardsmen.

Energize · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:15

meghatronic said:
Then the same stands for the guardsmen.

No it doesn't because there was physical contact. He was not charged with assault anyway so I fail to see your point.

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:15

Shoseki said:
There are loads of idiots in real life. You don't assault them, whether you're a guardsmen or not.

To be honest they should throw the book at him, the guardsmen are awesome and it would show how strict they are, even at their own kind.

Throw the book at the Guardsman ? Why ?

You cannot get persistent burglars over the wall for very long these days and violent crime often attracts poor sentences. Why should the Guardsman be hung out to dry just to appease a few window peepers who worship the Mail and all that is anti-establishment / police / immigrant / anything else you care to mention about it ?

Internal discipline should be quite enough and then a line drawn under it. It is ludicrous and out of proportion for anyone to suggest custdodial sentence for him.

dirtydog · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:25

Von Smallhausen said:
He is also a human and they are all prone to a bad day.

What was going on behind the scenes ? Marriage difficulties ? Bad news ? Who knows. It is unprecedented for a guard to do that but I give him the benefit of the doubt, no matter how unprofessional it looks but I only give it once.

On the subject of disrespect, perhaps Mr Tourist will think twice next time.

Well we don't know if it is actually unprecedented

Without modern technology and the ability for this incident to have been easily videoed, we would never have known about it. It may have happened in the past.

I hope the soldier gets a mild slap on the wrist at worst, if he is identified. He did wrong but he's only human and was subject to provocation which should be a mitigating factor.

Von Smallhausen · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:42

He did wrong dd, no argument there but those who bay for blood don't seem to take it in context or proportion.

Is it wrong for me to think that the smug grin on the kid's face turning non smug was amusing ?

dirtydog · 24 Jan 2009 at 15:44

Von Smallhausen said:
He did wrong dd, no argument there but those who bay for blood don't seem to take it in context or proportion.

Is it wrong for me to think that the smug grin on the kid's face turning non smug was amusing ?

I am in complete agreement with you mate and yes, the kid asked for it and it was funny