Landrovers - the new quad?

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:44

InvaderGIR said:
Off roading is good fun, not only in an off road vehicle, not a road one that has 4WD and a low range box. Again, make it for off roading and on road it'll handle like a pig...we tried it out on our 110 with some chunky wide tyres on wide alloys/steels.

I can't imagine it'd be that bad on road, it can't be any worse than a van or something.

InvaderGIR said:
Take one down to SA...I take it you mean South Africa? I'd not want to get one shipped or drive one all the way down there unless I was taking part in some fun run rally thing.

Yeah SA = South Africa. I think it'd be well fun to drive one all the way down

InvaderGIR said:
Dented panels on any vehicle make them look tatty, my family's 110 Deffended is a good example, it looks horrible with dented panels and rust due to the dents, but they are not worth fixing as the vehicle is not worth it.

I disagree, it just looks like the vehicle is well used, and makes it look rugged. Perhaps it doesn't look so good on newer Defenders, but on a Series III Landy it looks fine imo.

InvaderGIR said:
Overall the rust a lot, ours has had a lot of welding work done and it's still got patches that could do with being done. You may be able to do it yourself, but you'll be spending more time fixing it than driving it, especially if you take it properly off road and bash it on all sorts.

What do you mean by "overall" rust a lot? Because only the chassis is even steel, so as long as the chassis is sound I can't see why you'd have any rust issues. Corrosion on the body panels maybe, but that's only superficial.

InvaderGIR said:
The one we have is on an H plate and has a lot spent on it to keep it on the road every year.

I can understand people getting 90s with TD5 engines and on the likes of an 02 plate, as it should be the same as any other SWB 4x4 on the road, but the older ones just aren't worth it unless you have a lot of cash to throw at it when it breaks, and it will break, often.

What usually breaks on them? I don't see why it'd be any worse than any other old banger I'm likely to get for the same money (around 1k-2k).

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:45

[TW]Fox;13357567 said:
As previously explained, the Defender is a very sparse car. For good reason - but you can't say you get lots of car for the money because you quite clearly don't. When you've done more than look at a picture of one on the internet you'll understand

I know you don't get much kit, I've been in them many a time, my sisters ex had 3 of them. There is nothing stopping you putting a CD player in them, and other than that, what else do you need?

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:46

Jez said:
I would definitely rather a defender than a crap little hatchback which most first time car buyers seem to get, though. Potential for lots of fun with them.

No luxuries, but the type of cars we are comparing to are rubbish anyway.

Exactly. That is why I want one, because anything else for the same sought of money is going to be thoroughly dull and equally as crap at best.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:46

yantorsen said:
I know you don't get much kit, I've been in them many a time, my sisters ex had 3 of them. There is nothing stopping you putting a CD player in them, and other than that, what else do you need?

Have you ever driven a motor vehicle?

Tom|Nbk · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:47

yantorsen said:
what else do you need?

Lol brilliant.

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:48

[TW]Fox;13357634 said:
Have you ever driven a motor vehicle?

Yeah...

InvaderGIR · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:49

yantorsen said:
I can't imagine it'd be that bad on road, it can't be any worse than a van or something.

They are, trust me. Much worse than a van etc. cornering speed is severely reduced and turning circle is severely effected/affected.

yantorsen said:
Yeah SA = South Africa. I think it'd be well fun to drive one all the way down

It wouldn't, stuck in a hot box for hours on end with no way of cooling yourself of the engine which will get toasty is not fun.

yantorsen said:
I disagree, it just looks like the vehicle is well used, and makes it look rugged. Perhaps it doesn't look so good on newer Defenders, but on a Series III Landy it looks fine imo.

:/ The more dents and scrapes on them the worse they look, sane for any vehicle.

yantorsen said:
What do you mean by "overall" rust a lot? Because only the chassis is even steel, so as long as the chassis is sound I can't see why you'd have any rust issues. Corrosion on the body panels maybe, but that's only superficial.

Body panels, floorpan, bulkhead, chassis, joints, pretty much the whole thing.

yantorsen said:
What usually breaks on them? I don't see why it'd be any worse than any other old banger I'm likely to get for the same money (around 1k-2k).

Engine for starters, steering systems get can go, turbos quite happily pop, as do rads if they get too hot, etc.

For £2k you can get some very nice cars and not a heap of a Landy. :rolleyes:

SB118 · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:51

yantorsen said:
I can't imagine it'd be that bad on road, it can't be any worse than a van or something.

hahahahahaha, put a set of mud tyres on something and watch as a lot of your steering effort vanishes into the 80 profile sidewall twisting.

Muffin` · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:52

Give up Invader, guys got a few missing

InvaderGIR · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:52

Muffin` said:
Give up Invader, guys got a few missing

A few? Everything is more like it.

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:56

InvaderGIR said:
They are, trust me. Much worse than a van etc. cornering speed is severely reduced and turning circle is severely effected/affected.

Well I'll have to take your word for it as I've not driven one. I can't see it'd bother me too much though, I think the potential for fun off road would outweigh that.

InvaderGIR said:
It wouldn't, stuck in a hot box for hours on end with no way of cooling yourself of the engine which will get toasty is not fun.

Perhaps, I was more thinking of shipping it though. But just for general usage off road it would be great in my opinion, I'd love to go touring somewhere, there is a lot of really remote villages and the like I'd love to go to in places like Asia which can only be accessed with a Land Rover.

InvaderGIR said:
:/ The more dents and scrapes on them the worse they look, sane for any vehicle.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point, as long as it is only superficial it's fine imo.

InvaderGIR said:
Body panels, floorpan, bulkhead, chassis, joints, pretty much the whole thing.

How can the body panels rust? There aluminium, at worst they can just corrode, still that's only superficial.

Yeah, I'm sure they have issues such as the above, but if when I buy one I check it is all sound then it's not just going to fall apart over night.

InvaderGIR said:
Engine for starters, steering systems get can go, turbos quite happily pop, as do rads if they get too hot, etc.

But if I get a mechanically sound example to start with, or just a new 90s Defender, would it really be any worse than any other car I'm likely to get of about the same age?

InvaderGIR said:
For £2k you can get some very nice cars and not a heap of a Landy.

Yes, but there all boring and thoroughly mundane.

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:57

Muffin` said:
Give up Invader, guys got a few missing

So because I don't agree with you I've got a few missing :rolleyes:

InvaderGIR · 25 Jan 2009 at 21:59

I'm just going to ignore the rest but...

yantorsen said:
Yeah, I'm sure they have issues such as the above, but if when I buy one I check it is all sound then it's not just going to fall apart over night.

AND

yantorsen said:
But if I get a mechanically sound example to start with, or just a new 90s Defender, would it really be any worse than any other car I'm likely to get of about the same age?

You'll be spending the best part of £5k on one then?

yantorsen said:
Yes, but there all boring and thoroughly mundane.

You really know nothing about cars do you? :rolleyes:

Jez · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:00

InvaderGIR said:
You really know nothing about cars do you?

Name a single car which will be anything other than he describes for £2000 which a new driver can insure cheaply?

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:02

Remember kids, in Jez-world if its £2k its crap.

InvaderGIR · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:03

The Landy can't be insured cheaply either...I looked into it years ago. :/

Jez · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:05

[TW]Fox;13357746 said:
Remember kids, in Jez-world if its £2k its crap.

The question is open to you too. Name a single car which will not be mundane and totally samey for the budget and insurance criterion.

I am not saying the landrover will be any good on road, because it isnt, but its not being compared with anything any good either. This is assuming the OP is correct about the insurance and purchasing costs.

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:06

InvaderGIR said:
I'm just going to ignore the rest but...

AND

You'll be spending the best part of £5k on one then?

You really know nothing about cars do you?

I can't think of anything you can get for 2K that would be fun other than a Land Rover, or possibly a Suzukia Vitara/equivalent. The funnest thing I can think of would perhaps be an old hot hatch or maybe an MX-5, but none of them would be what I'd call fun compared to a Landy.

And I'll be spending as much as I need to get something I'm happy with, but that is unlikely to be 5K, probly 3K absolute max, but cheaper the better really.

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:07

InvaderGIR said:
The Landy can't be insured cheaply either...I looked into it years ago. :/

If you insure it with the NFU it's about the same cost to insure as any old hatchback is.

Jez · 25 Jan 2009 at 22:07

I'd disagree there, if things like an MX-5 are insurable then there are fun cars available. MX-5's are excellent cars and will be joyous in the summer with the roof down. I assumed we were talking rubbish like 306's etc.