To be fair those cars quoted are hardly comparable performance wise.
Diesel cash guzzlers: It can take 28 years for them to be cost-effective
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errrrrrrr So to post cars that are not even close to equal in performance then say they "break even straight away". like lol....
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I won't respect myself in the morning, but i agree with Fox, the output of a diesel engine is all wrong for giving it beans. Of the lights you'll have the petrol car, until you hit 4500rpm when the power drops off and the gearing is all wrong for 2nd to give you another burst of acceleration. The only time you can enjoy a b-road is when there is nobody else around as it takes a bit of concentration to keep the engine in it's "response" range and as soon as you get somebody slower in your way you take twice as long as a petrol as you don't have the instant umph of a petrol engine.
At my end of the market (1-2k pre-loved) if i wanted to go out for a blast i take the wifes 1.2 sxi corsa over my turbo diesel every time. And that's considering i hate the Corsa.
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Considerable performance difference from larger, more powerful petrol engine.
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Range Rover sport (HSE spec):
3.6 TDV8 Combined 25.5mpg (272hp) RRP: £46,372.13
4.2 supercharged V8 (390hp) Combined 17.8 mpg RRP: £50,166.92
Time to break even: Before driven off the forecourt.
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Enormous performance difference from much more powerful petrol engine.
Considerable performance advantage again - the 7 has only just come out so we've yet to see the whole model range. There is a 730i coming out which will be circa £52k.
And unless you cover considerable distances each year, neither are executive saloons, especially with the ultra efficient, ultra refined smooth petrol engines everyone is ignoring these days.
That depends whether the car is being purchased using similar criteria to that which you'd use if you were purchasing a toaster or not.
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These figures don't seem to take into account resale values. From what I can see similar specced diesel models hold there value significantl better than the petrol version, even more so in the current climate. And if the trade in difference is factored in you often more than save any extra cost from new.
WTF you smoking?
The gears arent that short in diesels you know.
And as for a B road, you would be cruising along doing 60mph in 4th gear say in both the petrol and the diesel. Which will have more power available in that gear to overtake. Pretty sure its going to be the diesel and you would have to change down in the petrol.
Unless you have a large/sports orientated engine any n/a petrol will be fairly gutless when just cruising along whereas a diesel is going to have plenty of power on tap.
Bit of concentration to keep it in its power band? Not needed just stick it in one gear and you are fine, and besides, isnt that what people want to do? Change gear and have fun? Keep the turbo spooling / VTEC / MIVEC on the aggressive cams etc............
Diesel makes a perfectly good car to cruise along in day to day. There are better cars for having fun in, but for a normal day to day car for commuting in I can see perfectly well why they are used.
Apparently. Not sure myself but.. spending more so you get more back seems a bit daft.
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The Parkers guide says I'll save £3.50 a week running a 2.0tdci Mondeo rather than my Cosworth Scorpio. <sarcastic>Woot</sarcastic>. And I don't think I'll find a 2.0tdci Mondeo for £900!
I don't understand what diesel "enthusiasts" have against changing gears.
Upgrade in quality though.
If all you cared about was the money then you could drive a Citroen LX 1.5D or a 205 1.8D for super MPG / low running costs but not much else besides.
He was saying that diesels dont have that instant umph that petrols do.
Plenty of in gear power in a diesel so you dont need to change down a gear like you would in a petrol.
You can change down if you want to though!
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[TW]Fox;13366338 said:
I'm not really seeing that supported in the real world though. I wouldn't want to suggest the articles authors are simply supporting their own case here though
This is about the worst post i have ever ever seen. NONE of those cars are on a level playing field at all, the Range Rover especially, supercharged 4.2 V8 petrol vs a 3.6 diesel indeed
Your argument here is actually just showing that less powerful lower end models are cheaper. Groundbreaking stuff
I'm not really seeing that supported in the real world though. I wouldn't want to suggest the articles authors are simply supporting their own case here though
It's based on a press release issued by Parkers who appear to exist purely to comment on used car prices so I guess its up to you who you feel is more credible.
But, lets assume for one minute its true - diesels are worth more at resale. This will be because of higher demand for diesel cars, and this is because the public is uneducated. They assume diesel is cheaper and buy it regardless without doing any of the maths. This increases demand for diesel cars, which compounds the problem. I've done it - my first car was a diesel because hey, its diesel, it will be cheaper obviously?! Like I can afford to run a petrol car, so I bought a diesel without even looking at the petrol cars. Great. Saved me nothing at all.
If I decide to get an LCI 530i M Sport next I am going to have a proper mission to actually find one because people just dont buy them, even though they are faster the 530d, cleaner than the 530d, smoother than the 530d, more reliable than the 530d, cheaper on company car tax than a 530d and are only 6mpg less efficient on the combined cycle than a 530d.
I wonder how many 530d drivers even know the 530i is still available, let alone actually looked at it?
It just seems that in this country you have to have a diesel, cos, its like, cheaper. Even though its not..
Buying a diesel to save money has become a bit like buying a Prius to save the environment. And, like the Prius owners tell people they did it to save the world, people driving diesel Astras genuinelly try and convince themselves it wasn't a compromise and that their noisy, clattery hire cars really are awesome :/
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Is the UK strange in having diesel prices higher than petrol?
Not interested in the relative strengths of each, but seems to me every country i've visted has Diesel going at a cheaper rate. here in Gib its 74p/l for 98, 68p/l for 95 and 59p/l for diesel..
[Ninja Edit] - ignore post...have had a look at other EU countries just now, seems diesel is pretty 50/50 whether its a few cent higher or lower.
Not interested in the relative strengths of each, but seems to me every country i've visted has Diesel going at a cheaper rate. here in Gib its 74p/l for 98, 68p/l for 95 and 59p/l for diesel..
[Ninja Edit] - ignore post...have had a look at other EU countries just now, seems diesel is pretty 50/50 whether its a few cent higher or lower.
Taxation is the main component in fuel pricing