A day out ratting

[Duff-Man]

I find this thread highly amusing

With the expected mix of left- and right-wing BS views, people's inability to see other points of view, self-delusion about the origins of food, and other silly mini-dramas and personal hangups, this thread delivers Have five stars.

Anyway - I'm not sure that 'ratting' is something I would enjoy, but as far as pest control goes it seems a suitable measure - certainly a lot more natural and humane than using poisons.

 

[Adnams Drinker]

Rats are vermin. Look at the diseases they carry - http://www.ratbehavior.org/WildRatDisease.htm

Hit. Nail. Head.

I'm no fan of bloodsports normally, but this is a win-win situation - i) the dogs are following their instincts and doing what they were bred for and ii) levels of a disease-carrying rodent are being kept down.

 

[Moley]

Humans can carry diseases whats your point.

Humans do carry diseases but make an effort to live a lifestyle that limits the diseases, their transmission and the risk they pose to other people and animals.

Rats don't even know what a disease is.

Clear now?

 

[Knubje]

Humans can carry diseases whats your point.

Not quite in the way rats do though no?

It's not like a human with, lets say Influenza, will find a barn in the countryside and start ruining crops by sneezing/rubbing hands/blowing nose in them.

A human isn't likely to crawl through god knows what scenario (sewers, drains, etc) , cover themself in excrement and then walk into places where other humans live, spreading disease.

Therefore your point is a little generalised to carry any weight, imo.

 

[Rainmaker]

this thread delivers Have five stars.

\o/

 

[Spie]

Humans can carry diseases whats your point.

Humans can carry diseases. Rats do carry diseases, and lots of them too.

On English farms:

Webster and MacDonald (1995) studied the parasite and disease load of wild rats on farms in England:

yellow text = transmissible to humans

* Helminths (worms):
o the oxyuroid pinworm Syphacia muris in 67% of the rats
o the strongoloyd parasite Nippostronglyus brasiliensis found in 23%
o the liver worm Capillaria in 23%
o the cestode Hymenolepsis diminuta in 22%
o Toxocara cati causing Toxocariasis in 15%
o the oxyuroid pinworm Heterakis spp. in 14%
o the cestode Hymenolepsis nana in 11%
o the intestinal tapeworm Taenia taeniaeformis in 11%

* Bacteria
o Leptospira spp. bacteria causing Weil's disease in 14%
o Listeria spp. bacteria causing listeriosis in 11%
o Yersinia enterocolitica bacteria causing yersiniosis in 11%
o Pasturella spp. bacteria causing Pasturellosis in 6%
o Pseudomonas spp. bacteria causing Meilioidosis in 4%

* Protozoa
o Cryptosporidium parvum causing cryptosporidiosis in 63% of the rats
o Toxoplasma gondii causing toxoplasmosis in 35%
o Trypanosoma lewisii in 29%
o Eimeria separata in 8%

* Rickettsia
o Coxiella burnetti evidence of infection by Q fever in 34%

* Viruses
o Hantavirus causing Hantaan-fever or hemorrhagic fever in 5%

* Ectoparasites (note: these ectoparasites are vectors for diseases which are transmissible to humans, such as typhus)
o Fleas found on 100% of the rats
o Mites found on 67%
o Lice found on 38%

I think it's fair to say rats carry a lot more disease than humans. So what's your point?

 

[lewism]

Shooting isn't actually that good, because death tends to be from injury and slow, rather than instantaneous. The hunting report covered this and was ignored.

depends on who is shooting and if they know thier kill zones. But i would generally say dogs first then rifles etc. poison should always be a last resort as it does more damage than good.

 

[Rainmaker]

depends on who is shooting and if they know thier kill zones.

...and whether or not they're going to shoot it in the leg, and then try to catch it so they can slit its throat.

It's good to see the more sensible replies balancing out the thread again. Spie, even I was taken by surprise at the info you posted. I didn't know they carried quite that much disease. I shall have to redouble my efforts!

 

[WantoN]

Jesus christ. I've not read the whole thread but I don't doubt its degenerated into a 'this is so wrong' outcry.

Good example of how modern society breeds so many men that are soft as ****.

They're pests. This method avoids poisoning the envireoment, and its what the dogs are bred for. It's fast, effective and natural.

Grow a pair :/ They're rats.

Ant

 

[^TANK^]

Humans do carry diseases but make an effort to live a lifestyle that limits the diseases, their transmission and the risk they pose to other people and animals.

Rats don't even know what a disease is.

Clear now?

Go eat a rat burger.

 

[^TANK^]

Humans can carry diseases. Rats do carry diseases, and lots of them too.

On English farms:

Webster and MacDonald (1995) studied the parasite and disease load of wild rats on farms in England:

yellow text = transmissible to humans

* Helminths (worms):
o the oxyuroid pinworm Syphacia muris in 67% of the rats
o the strongoloyd parasite Nippostronglyus brasiliensis found in 23%
o the liver worm Capillaria in 23%
o the cestode Hymenolepsis diminuta in 22%
o Toxocara cati causing Toxocariasis in 15%
o the oxyuroid pinworm Heterakis spp. in 14%
o the cestode Hymenolepsis nana in 11%
o the intestinal tapeworm Taenia taeniaeformis in 11%

* Bacteria
o Leptospira spp. bacteria causing Weil's disease in 14%
o Listeria spp. bacteria causing listeriosis in 11%
o Yersinia enterocolitica bacteria causing yersiniosis in 11%
o Pasturella spp. bacteria causing Pasturellosis in 6%
o Pseudomonas spp. bacteria causing Meilioidosis in 4%

* Protozoa
o Cryptosporidium parvum causing cryptosporidiosis in 63% of the rats
o Toxoplasma gondii causing toxoplasmosis in 35%
o Trypanosoma lewisii in 29%
o Eimeria separata in 8%

* Rickettsia
o Coxiella burnetti evidence of infection by Q fever in 34%

* Viruses
o Hantavirus causing Hantaan-fever or hemorrhagic fever in 5%

* Ectoparasites (note: these ectoparasites are vectors for diseases which are transmissible to humans, such as typhus)
o Fleas found on 100% of the rats
o Mites found on 67%
o Lice found on 38%

I think it's fair to say rats carry a lot more disease than humans. So what's your point?

Point taken.

 

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Leptospira spp. bacteria causing Weil's disease in 14%

This is bad very bad if left alone, and will lead to death if not diagnosed and ignored. When working on the underground this is drilled into you, and real flu like symptons if you have been working a week or 2 before in areas where rats might have been means a visit to the doctor and probably tests.

This is just one of them !

 

[dod]

my point is that you should use a gun to wound the animal, and then close in for the kill with a knife, and he certainly didnt miss.

Quite frankly that's rubbish.

 

[lewism]

...and whether or not they're going to shoot it in the leg, and then try to catch it so they can slit its throat.

Yeah, just seen that.

my point is that you should use a gun to wound the animal, and then close in for the kill with a knife, and he certainly didnt miss.

so you have never actually fired a rifle then? you always shoot to kill. always. sometimes you'll miss, but that happens. Any proper hunter/ratter whatever you want to call them that shoots with a rifle will always tell you they shoot to kill. if they don't, they deserve thier weapons to be taken away.

 

[Rainmaker]

so you have never actually fired a rifle then? you always shoot to kill. always. sometimes you'll miss, but that happens. Any proper hunter/ratter whatever you want to call them that shoots with a rifle will always tell you they shoot to kill. if they don't they, deserve thier weapons to be taken away.

+1

 

[Anksy]

cba reading through most of your, "Im against this" posts, they are vermin, pests, over breeding, disease carrying, oversized mice! if theres a few rats in your kitchen what do you do ? lead them out with cheese and peanuts ?, tell them to go away ? no you dont you call the pest control or even kill it yourself, and dont say that crap that "pest control's shoot them for a quick death", im not too sure a rat has told anyone if it hurts or not.

i think this is great tbh, could you do this with any breed of dog ?, much training involved ?, im guessing if my dog seen a rat anyway she'd play with it for abit, with her huge teeth ofcourse, my staffy would probably swallow them whole tbh.

 

[Moley]

Go eat a rat burger.

You first.

 

[Topper]

I don't have a problem with rats being torn to bits by dogs. In nature it happens all the time. I have a problem with people who enjoy watching it and then call people who object to it soft. If you are a licensed pest control officer with a mandate, then fine. If you are some bloke grinning his head off with his mate/lover, killing animals for the little thrill of it then you are sick. Whats next, Water voles? Hares? Badgers? Minx? Actually yeah minx would be ok as they not a native or endangered species and they are seriously chavish to other wildlife. Wonder how long your dog would last against a honey badger.

 

[Rainmaker]

i think this is great tbh, could you do this with any breed of dog ?, much training involved ?, im guessing if my dog seen a rat anyway she'd play with it for abit, with her huge teeth ofcourse, my staffy would probably swallow them whole tbh.

Our terriers are from proper working parents, meaning they're good above and below ground. Dogs like that are a natural for something as comparatively easy as ratting; it's mostly instinct. That said, even the farm collie can and will grab the odd rat but it takes a certain type of dog to ignore the repeated bites and not get put off, but rather become all the more enraged and enthusiastic!

Anything with terrier blood, some of the smallish bull & terriers (pits, staffies, English bulls), teckels, whippets, lurchers and so on. Those are the dogs who tend to shine. That said, as with any working dog, genetics and bloodlines play a huge role, but a good one is where you find it!

You can't really beat a well bred terrier though. Busting vermin and going to ground is their sole reason for existing, so they tend to be very good at it

Training is a matter of basic obedience when they're young (recall, walking to heel off-lead, stay/stand, wait etc) and then taking them out. Most of the dogs in the named breeds will make a decent enough 'finder' and be able to track down vermin and know which holes/silos/pens/piles of scrap have rodents inside. Then it's just a case of letting nature take its course.

Some dogs get bitten and decide/pretend from then on that they "can't" find or see rats anywhere Most however become suitably enraged at the audacity of the biting rat and decide from there-on-in that it's their sole mission in life to find and eradicate every single rat, period. Those are the keepers

 

[Moley]

I don't have a problem with rats being torn to bits by dogs. In nature it happens all the time. I have a problem with people who enjoy watching it and then call people who object to it soft. If you are a licensed pest control officer with a mandate, then fine. If you are some bloke grinning his head off with his mate/lover, killing animals for the little thrill of it then you are sick. Whats next, Water voles? Hares? Badgers? Minx? Actually yeah minx would be ok as they not a native or endangered species and they are seriously chavish to other wildlife. Wonder how long your dog would last against a honey badger.

OK so you think it's ok to kill minxes for the thrill of it judging by your post, but you are implying the OP is sick?

Is it not possible that he doesn't get a thrill from the blood and guts of the kill, but rather from joining in the chase with and spending time with his dogs?

I used to take my Jack Russell hunting when I was younger and we had a great time - he was thoroughly enjoying doing what comes naturally to a dog of his kind and I had great fun running around seeing him having fun.

Does that make me a sicko?