A day out ratting
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I have, and you've joined the scummy terrorist list with the other animal rights activists and suicide bombing types...
Am I wrong?
If you like, someone has to stick up for the furies, anyway that was quite awhile ago. Oh and no explosives were ever used to my knowledge, generally just sabotage.
You seem to have crossed your wires. Hunting is different to baiting, no matter what animal you're talking about. But don't let that stop you. Also, more importantly, hunting badgers is illegal in our little island. The rest of Europe have no issues with it and hunt them all the time. So in that respect the RSPCA can lump it; they have no legal powers anyway.
Explosives would be a quicker death, I'm all for that.
I agree with the above.
I have 2 rat pets and if any Dog / cat tryed to eat them, id burn the mut
I agree with the above.
I have 2 rat pets and if any Dog / cat tryed to eat them, id burn the mut
Once again with the ironing
Get your coat! Idiot!
You love posting cr*p on this forum trying to make people believe your some kind of hard up gangster who loves blood and guts
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Dont worry he has his coat on.....in the field's butchering.
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"He shot the deer in the leg then slit it's throat"
He obviously has not passed his deer stalking license and could do with some phsycological testing....idiot.
"You seem to have crossed your wires. Hunting is different to baiting, no matter what animal you're talking about. But don't let that stop you. Also, more importantly, hunting badgers is illegal in our little island. The rest of Europe have no issues with it and hunt them all the time. So in that respect the RSPCA can lump it; they have no legal powers anyway."
Is that right Rainmaker?
http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/species/badgers.aspx
Getting your argument a mixed up there again aren't you? Not to worry. AS I said, I have no problem with people hunting for food. Someone that will kill an animal for fun is another matter. If your ratting is doing a service great, dont have an issue with that. Posting pictures of bloody torn rats or whatever is just wrong. Get your kicks, but do it in private.
Is that right Rainmaker?
http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/species/badgers.aspx
Getting your argument a mixed up there again aren't you? Not to worry. AS I said, I have no problem with people hunting for food. Someone that will kill an animal for fun is another matter. If your ratting is doing a service great, dont have an issue with that. Posting pictures of bloody torn rats or whatever is just wrong. Get your kicks, but do it in private.
i had two russells just got the one left now and shes 14, they loved killing rats was great fun taking across the fields not as organised as you.
the one i have now once dived into a pond and surfaced with a huge fish she was well pleased with her catch
the one i have now once dived into a pond and surfaced with a huge fish she was well pleased with her catch
You're becoming wearisome. Please tell me what part of your Natural ENGLAND link tells me I'm wrong to say it is (1) illegal to hunt badgers in the UK, and (2) is NOT illegal across Europe. Please tell me where I'm getting my argument mixed up.
What's your fascination with bringing up badgers anyway? This is a ratting thread. If you have an axe to grind join PETA and whinge with those guys. If you don't like my pics you know where the back button is.
Rainmaker just ignore him, he is like a tired record, going on....and on....... and on...............
Rainmaker just ignore him, he is like a tired record, going on....and on....... and on...............
...and Ariston
Sorry, you just reminded me of the old advert. lol
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I’ve read through this whole thread, and I must say… it intrigues me. I do find it a little odd to gloat about the killing of animals, and I don’t find such killing entertaining personally, but that’s not what I’m about to address. I have no problem with killing animals for pest control, provided it is humane enough, and terriers are very quick killers. It is certainly more humane than poisons and some forms of traps, plus the dog gets some exercise so that’s an added benefit.
I believe it is important to note, regardless your views on rats, that they are still animals that can feel pain and making them suffer prolonged is not the right way to go about it. I have seen people do terrible things to animals, especially to animals like rats because they use their reputation and their dislike of them to disregard any ethical standing and kill them in the most… well, horrible of ways. As if they were merely inanimate objects... as if the words “pest” and “vermin” for some reason made it right to torture or inflict unnecessary suffering. I personally don’t think any animal should be subjected to a long and painful death when it can be avoided, and I think the people that practice this with ill intent should not even be called human.
What disturbs me though is that so many people here have called the OP a sicko, but have for some inexplicable reason missed out on this:
THIS is sick, not the OP. Pouring boiling water over a rat is well… how should I put it? Does it even require an explanation? I don’t care if you hate rats, that’s no excuse to do such a thing. Heck, this is pretty much torturing them in my books, it’s just totally unnecessary. And you go so far as to say they should be killed in whichever way possible?
Well then, where do you draw the line? Is burning them alive acceptable? How about tying them to a tree with barbed wire, cutting their toes off one by one? Perhaps sticking it into a freezer? Forcing them to watch re-runs of Batman and Robin? I think you’re totally and utterly wrong – they should not be killed whichever way possible, it should be done as humanely as possible. Otherwise it goes too far, and it just becomes gratuitous cruelty. It is nigh on impossible to kill something and not be “cruel” about it, but for lord’s sake, pouring boiling water on a rat is no different than setting it on fire. What a disgusting thing to do, honestly… and it offends me.
Do you hate them so much that you ignore that they can feel pain, just like every mammalian species? It doesn’t matter if it’s a pest, torturing something to death shows a disregard to life in general and should be taken seriously. I’m surprised more people didn’t point you out on it. Maybe they put too much concentration on the OP and missed your posts, but I hope my post addresses that. I think you’ve gotten away a little too lightly.
Why? Mice are no different from rats as far as spreading disease and destruction is concerned. Is it because rats are less cute and cuddly, and because you don’t like them as much? Kind of a double standard here.
Because it’s the moral thing to do? Far as I’m aware, being humane isn’t only restricted toward humans.
It all has to do with intention and realisation of consequence. I doubt a cat is inclined to think about the morality of playing around with a mouse for hours before eating it, because it is incapable of doing so.
Uh huh. Right. Then comes this:
How absurd. Let’s assume for a second that said act is barbaric and inhumane… yet you’re throwing out a “they are just rats” line to make it OK? This is despite saying that you are an animal lover and not one for animal cruelty. The thing about that is that people with ill intention can use your logic and upscale it to justify just about anything. “It’s only a rat”, “it’s only a dog”… get it? This is why it’s principally flawed to ignore situations of cruelty just because of the species.
And by cruelty, I don’t mean by proper hunting, I mean just inflicting added pain where it’s not necessary and is just blatantly overdone.
No specific purpose? Rats play quite an important part of the ecosystem… and while you may have a case for introduced species, there are a lot of native species of rat.
If you’ve ever seen what glue traps did… then you would!
You’d be surprised.
Besides which, that you are in contact with a lot of people alone is a good way to get disease. You can’t avoid it, unless you live in a bubble… disease is a natural part of life and it isn’t going to go away. Prevent it, or deal with it when it happens.
It entirely depends on the circumstances. Rats on their own, not causing any trouble, are not vermin… additionally, native rats, pet rats and lab rats are not vermin. If they’re in your house chewing up wires and pooing everywhere, then yes… in that instance, they are.
That still doesn’t stop disease transmission though. All animals carry disease, and I think it is rather overstated on rats TBH. By that I mean that some people react in a way that when they even go close to a rat, they think as if they’re going to die, etc. It’s so irrational that I just have to laugh sometimes. I guess it’s the same with most phobias.
Getting a disease from an individual rodent is rare – hell, you don’t know if it even has the disease to begin with. When we start talking about groups… and places like kitchens, then it becomes a problem. You’d be incredibly unlucky to get a disease from one, that or rather careless (eg. ingesting feces, yummmm)
There are always two sides of a spectrum. On the other end, you have some people being excessively cruel and such things are supposed to make you “tough” whereby you’re “soft” if you disagree. In case there is any misunderstanding here, I’m not talking about the OP.
Most animals will carry as many diseases, if not more. Especially us. Rats aren’t vermin because they carry disease… rats are vermin because they can cause trouble toward humans in given situations. Your statement is too generalised, it is not that simple.
What’s that supposed to mean? You either carry and transmit disease or you don’t.
I don’t think that’s true. You have your list over there… now, write up a list of every single disease we can catch from each other and compare. Everything from the flu to leprosy. Humans are the #1 disease transmitters, make no mistake about it.
Happens to rats too. Really, skinning something alive is bad no matter what animal is involved. Unfortunately, some of the people against it don’t seem to be against it for the underlying cruelty aspect, but rather for emotional attachment (eg. cats and dogs, ignore the other “less cute” animals).
If all that was done on rats instead of cats, would you still be offended?
For me personally? I’d say yes. Because I can still see the cruelty for what it is… regardless of animal.
I believe it is important to note, regardless your views on rats, that they are still animals that can feel pain and making them suffer prolonged is not the right way to go about it. I have seen people do terrible things to animals, especially to animals like rats because they use their reputation and their dislike of them to disregard any ethical standing and kill them in the most… well, horrible of ways. As if they were merely inanimate objects... as if the words “pest” and “vermin” for some reason made it right to torture or inflict unnecessary suffering. I personally don’t think any animal should be subjected to a long and painful death when it can be avoided, and I think the people that practice this with ill intent should not even be called human.
What disturbs me though is that so many people here have called the OP a sicko, but have for some inexplicable reason missed out on this:
sunama said:
sunama said:
sunama said:
sunama said:
THIS is sick, not the OP. Pouring boiling water over a rat is well… how should I put it? Does it even require an explanation? I don’t care if you hate rats, that’s no excuse to do such a thing. Heck, this is pretty much torturing them in my books, it’s just totally unnecessary. And you go so far as to say they should be killed in whichever way possible?
Well then, where do you draw the line? Is burning them alive acceptable? How about tying them to a tree with barbed wire, cutting their toes off one by one? Perhaps sticking it into a freezer? Forcing them to watch re-runs of Batman and Robin? I think you’re totally and utterly wrong – they should not be killed whichever way possible, it should be done as humanely as possible. Otherwise it goes too far, and it just becomes gratuitous cruelty. It is nigh on impossible to kill something and not be “cruel” about it, but for lord’s sake, pouring boiling water on a rat is no different than setting it on fire. What a disgusting thing to do, honestly… and it offends me.
Do you hate them so much that you ignore that they can feel pain, just like every mammalian species? It doesn’t matter if it’s a pest, torturing something to death shows a disregard to life in general and should be taken seriously. I’m surprised more people didn’t point you out on it. Maybe they put too much concentration on the OP and missed your posts, but I hope my post addresses that. I think you’ve gotten away a little too lightly.
Solari said:
Why? Mice are no different from rats as far as spreading disease and destruction is concerned. Is it because rats are less cute and cuddly, and because you don’t like them as much? Kind of a double standard here.
Scuzi said:
Because it’s the moral thing to do? Far as I’m aware, being humane isn’t only restricted toward humans.
Scuzi said:
It all has to do with intention and realisation of consequence. I doubt a cat is inclined to think about the morality of playing around with a mouse for hours before eating it, because it is incapable of doing so.
Knubje said:
Uh huh. Right. Then comes this:
Knubje said:
How absurd. Let’s assume for a second that said act is barbaric and inhumane… yet you’re throwing out a “they are just rats” line to make it OK? This is despite saying that you are an animal lover and not one for animal cruelty. The thing about that is that people with ill intention can use your logic and upscale it to justify just about anything. “It’s only a rat”, “it’s only a dog”… get it? This is why it’s principally flawed to ignore situations of cruelty just because of the species.
And by cruelty, I don’t mean by proper hunting, I mean just inflicting added pain where it’s not necessary and is just blatantly overdone.
Knubje said:
No specific purpose? Rats play quite an important part of the ecosystem… and while you may have a case for introduced species, there are a lot of native species of rat.
Knubje said:
If you’ve ever seen what glue traps did… then you would!
Knubje said:
You’d be surprised.
Besides which, that you are in contact with a lot of people alone is a good way to get disease. You can’t avoid it, unless you live in a bubble… disease is a natural part of life and it isn’t going to go away. Prevent it, or deal with it when it happens.
Moley said:
It entirely depends on the circumstances. Rats on their own, not causing any trouble, are not vermin… additionally, native rats, pet rats and lab rats are not vermin. If they’re in your house chewing up wires and pooing everywhere, then yes… in that instance, they are.
Moley said:
That still doesn’t stop disease transmission though. All animals carry disease, and I think it is rather overstated on rats TBH. By that I mean that some people react in a way that when they even go close to a rat, they think as if they’re going to die, etc. It’s so irrational that I just have to laugh sometimes. I guess it’s the same with most phobias.
Getting a disease from an individual rodent is rare – hell, you don’t know if it even has the disease to begin with. When we start talking about groups… and places like kitchens, then it becomes a problem. You’d be incredibly unlucky to get a disease from one, that or rather careless (eg. ingesting feces, yummmm)
WantoN said:
There are always two sides of a spectrum. On the other end, you have some people being excessively cruel and such things are supposed to make you “tough” whereby you’re “soft” if you disagree. In case there is any misunderstanding here, I’m not talking about the OP.
Spie said:
Most animals will carry as many diseases, if not more. Especially us. Rats aren’t vermin because they carry disease… rats are vermin because they can cause trouble toward humans in given situations. Your statement is too generalised, it is not that simple.
Spie said:
What’s that supposed to mean? You either carry and transmit disease or you don’t.
Spie said:
I don’t think that’s true. You have your list over there… now, write up a list of every single disease we can catch from each other and compare. Everything from the flu to leprosy. Humans are the #1 disease transmitters, make no mistake about it.
Anksy said:
Happens to rats too. Really, skinning something alive is bad no matter what animal is involved. Unfortunately, some of the people against it don’t seem to be against it for the underlying cruelty aspect, but rather for emotional attachment (eg. cats and dogs, ignore the other “less cute” animals).
Chimercal said:
If all that was done on rats instead of cats, would you still be offended?
For me personally? I’d say yes. Because I can still see the cruelty for what it is… regardless of animal.
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