Bus Wars - The Christians Fight Back

I'm glad so many people here share my point of view :) It will definately be funny if the advert is banned as they cannot prove their claim.
 
MattU said:
I'm glad so many people here share my point of view :) It will definately be funny if the advert is banned as they cannot prove their claim.
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The atheists cannot provide supporting evidence for their campaign either, even enough to get around it with the probably. There's simply no supporting evidence either for or against, and hence it comes down simply to the assumptions of those on either side.
 
Dolph said:
I don't generally come down heavily on the side of the religious, it's just generally the religious contingent don't give as scope for evaluation of their views. Most religious people on here won't try and convert you, claim their view is somehow better than everyone elses etc. Many of the atheists here and will do both of those, and be insulting to anyone who doesn't share their views.

When we've had christians etc behaving in the same way, I've called them on it and given them the same critical analysis of their viewpoint, but most theists (on here) accept their beliefs to be just that, most atheists (on here and in the media) want to claim it's something more than just their belief, despite the fact that critical analysis doesn't support such a stance.

That's a question I wonder about myself, and why it seems so important to some to convert everyone else to their way of thinking.
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Fair enough.

Personally I like to argue to validate my own viewpoint, I guess, as well as to temper it and correct it where necessary. In the end, a lot of people, myself included, have a deep-seated need to be correct.

It's more personal for me as well, as I was brought up as a christian, believing everything my parents told me about Jesus and god as absolute fact, even though I later found that they were in fact unsure about their beliefs. Although I don't subscribe to Dawkin's thing that teaching children to believe in a religion is tantamount to child abuse any more than teaching them to believe in anything is, I have a distinct problem with people telling kids about God as if there are no other viewpoints.

I was at some friends of my parents a while ago, and they were talking about how their 4-year old was asking why he couldn't see or hear god, even though he was praying very hard. They said that they told him 'It's hard, but you just have to believe.' I cringed. I was a guest in their home so I stayed mute until the conversation moved on, but that sums it up for me. These were lovely, responsible liberal-as-you-like parents, indoctrinating their kid against his own instincts; and I struggle to imagine an many atheist parents doing the same to their child. Maybe I'm wrong.

So that's why I argue :)
 
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Dolph said:
The atheists cannot provide supporting evidence for their campaign either, even enough to get around it with the probably. There's simply no supporting evidence either for or against, and hence it comes down simply to the assumptions of those on either side.
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Dolph said:
The atheists cannot provide supporting evidence for their campaign either, even enough to get around it with the probably. There's simply no supporting evidence either for or against, and hence it comes down simply to the assumptions of those on either side.
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But the atheists aren't explicitly saying that something is or isn't real. All they say is that "god may not exist", the already have plenty of evidence in the form of arguments, discussions etc that help to prove this point more then the existence of god. If anything the atheists have put forward more of an agnostic point of view which may seem strange, but is at the end of the day something that cannot really be debated due to it being both for and against.
 
I'd like to know how the ASA have approved this but the atheist one needed 'probably' in it :D
 
fair play to them, they can come back and defend there views, after all it was not them that started it, anyone should be able to defend themselves
 
m0r94n said:
But the atheists aren't explicitly saying that something is or isn't real. All they say is that "god may not exist"
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They say "God probably doesn't exist", which is in no way backed up by evidence. They might have softened the blow with "probably", but on an unestable claim it's innefective.

the already have plenty of evidence in the form of arguments, discussions etc that help to prove this point more then the existence of god.
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I'm not sure anything they have could be called evidence for the nonexistence of god. It's merely conjecture and opinion.

If anything the atheists have put forward more of an agnostic point of view which may seem strange, but is at the end of the day something that cannot really be debated due to it being both for and against.
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I agree here. It's pretty odd that as atheists they've backed off from what they truly believe, and claimed that their faith is only "probably" true.:p
 
p4radox said:
They say "God probably doesn't exist", which is in no way backed up by evidence. They might have softened the blow with "probably", but on an unestable claim it's innefective.



I'm not sure anything they have could be called evidence for the nonexistence of god. It's merely conjecture and opinion.



I agree here. It's pretty odd that as atheists they've backed off from what they truly believe, and claimed that their faith is only "probably" true.:p
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The guy responsible for the ads has always said that there is almost definetley no god, not that there is definetley no god. Atheism isn't a faith either.
 
Pilky01 said:
The guy responsible for the ads has always said that there is almost definetley no god, not that there is definetley no god. Atheism isn't a faith either.
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Belief or position not based on evidence, but on assumption and conjecture, sounds just like a faith to me...
 
i personally dont like the way they put "so join the christian party, and enjoy your life" that is prob what annoyes me more than stating there is a god....

and as previously said.... the aethist advert was merley telling people not to get hung up about religion but to just enjoy now and not worry about what is and what isnt
 
sbi5ar said:
i personally dont like the way they put "so join the christian party, and enjoy your life" that is prob what annoyes me more than stating there is a god....
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Agreed, and that's pretty much why it fails. It'll do more to annoy non believers than it will to win any over, if that's what the desired effect was. If they were simply out to cause a scene then they're impressing no one.
 
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