I'm not saying who told me and i can only assume that it is true... I haven't actually seen the post, but someone copied/pasted the more interesting parts to me.
Convicted of drink driving, and have a few questions
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I'm not saying who told me and i can only assume that it is true... I haven't actually seen the post, but someone copied/pasted the more interesting parts to me.
Yep its all true, he said worse as well.
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A case is dealt with on tha facts and they seem to be ....
Dirtydog got caught, refused a breath specimen as he has a right to do, got charged with failing to provide, admitted his guilt at court at a first hearing and got dealt with.
Despite what sentencing guidelines say, things like previous convictions are looked at. Had dd been a persistent drink driver and drove whilst disqualified to do so then a custodial is almost inevitable and likely a remand application sought.
No harm was done this time, he took his punishment and if he has no previous convictions and pleaded guilty then I do not see it in the public interest to receive a custodial sentence and neither did the Court.
I would hope dd takes his lesson from it.
Dirtydog got caught, refused a breath specimen as he has a right to do, got charged with failing to provide, admitted his guilt at court at a first hearing and got dealt with.
Despite what sentencing guidelines say, things like previous convictions are looked at. Had dd been a persistent drink driver and drove whilst disqualified to do so then a custodial is almost inevitable and likely a remand application sought.
No harm was done this time, he took his punishment and if he has no previous convictions and pleaded guilty then I do not see it in the public interest to receive a custodial sentence and neither did the Court.
I would hope dd takes his lesson from it.
I saw one a few weeks ago - some foreign bloke with bald tyres, no insurance, no tax, driving at 110mph for several miles and 5 times over the legal limit, he recieved a ban and a £600 fine. Pretty light if you ask me!
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I know people would still drink and drive,you always get people who will but if things were toughened up,most of it would stop.crush the drivers car,ban them for life and give tougher prison sentences.a year ban and points is too lenient,as is just adding more of a ban to someone driving while they are already banned.
I admire your honesty and your balls for posting this topic but to me drink drivers are always going to be just one rung above rapists and paedophiles
yes there is. in europe, it can be found in the czech rep, hungary, slovakia and romania. it's also zero for drivers with < 2 years experience in a few countries, including Germany..
Does anyone know what the punishment is for being on a push bike and having drunk? would be interesting to know whether they are similar. I haven't been in that situation but I assume they are more lenient?
It's the same penalty I believe. If you have a driving licence you will lose it, if you don't have one I don't think you can apply for one until the ban has ended. I'm not sure how strictly this in enforced.
Going on what I saw in the 5th gear test and my own experience I'd say drink driving (note not drunk driving) is the lesser risk on roads like motorways and dual carriageways.
If your on twisty back roads though I'd take tiredness over drink.
The sad thing is though the law only recognises one as being any sort of risk at all and this makes people think the same.
Ever? Or the next day, or the day after that?
How about cough syrups with ethanol in? I know you should read the label but do you always? Do you know how long to not drive after taking the cough syrup?
How about eating out, you don't drink - but the chef put a drop of port in a fruit sauce? Is this a legal defense? Would anyone believe you hadn't had a drink?
It's only not ridiculous in a society where alcohol is demonised, proscribed by law and treated as a dangerous ingredient. Which is exactly what groups lobbying for zero tolerance want.
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AFAIK the police can ask a cyclist to take a breath test, but he is within his rights to refuse and cannot be charged as a result.
I can't see why so many people have their knickers in a knot over this.
I never have a single drink when driving, to me it is just a safer option than guessing when I am near the limit. Not to mention that the more you drink the more your judgement is effected meaning your more likely to get in a car and drive.
Personally I would like to see a law brought in that states you can't drive after having any alcohol, obviously there would be a set limit as a buffer for things like medicine. It would remove all those people that think they are safe and only leave the people that just don't care. However, I can't see this happening purely because it would remove a lot of police fines from the road even though it is the safest option.
As for DD, he did something stupid and pleaded guilty, he didn't hurt anyone and hopefully won't do it again. I can't see any need to go on about it tbh.
I never have a single drink when driving, to me it is just a safer option than guessing when I am near the limit. Not to mention that the more you drink the more your judgement is effected meaning your more likely to get in a car and drive.
Personally I would like to see a law brought in that states you can't drive after having any alcohol, obviously there would be a set limit as a buffer for things like medicine. It would remove all those people that think they are safe and only leave the people that just don't care. However, I can't see this happening purely because it would remove a lot of police fines from the road even though it is the safest option.
As for DD, he did something stupid and pleaded guilty, he didn't hurt anyone and hopefully won't do it again. I can't see any need to go on about it tbh.
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Totally agree. If I had just a pint and ended up killing a child who ran out in front of me, the question "Would I have reacted quicker without the pint" would taunt me for the rest of my life.
Read the thread properly - I think you'll see why his attitude has got so many people's knickers in a twist.
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I think in this case it's more down to discretion of the copper...
Does anyone know what the punishment is for being on a push bike and having drunk? would be interesting to know whether they are similar. I haven't been in that situation but I assume they are more lenient?
If you are wasted on a push bike, you're more risk to yourself than anyone else.
I'd also be interested to know what would happen tho if they did decide to throw the book at you!
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Ah yes, because you have to be on a high horse to know that driving while so far over the limit you refuse to give a sample is wrong.
Maximum magistrate fine for being drunk in charge of a pushbike is £1000 you do not get points I have heard that a lot and its an urban myth.
Though there was a high profile case of a guy in London who killed a pedestrian who went to prison not so long ago but he was definately riding very dangerously. (even heard to shout get out of the way cos I am not stopping or very similar).
Oh and after 5 years most insurance companies do not ask if you have EVER had a ban. (mine was for speeding).
Though there was a high profile case of a guy in London who killed a pedestrian who went to prison not so long ago but he was definately riding very dangerously. (even heard to shout get out of the way cos I am not stopping or very similar).
Oh and after 5 years most insurance companies do not ask if you have EVER had a ban. (mine was for speeding).