your euro Ncap rating

CaneyJ · 13 Feb 2009 at 19:08

Cinq not on it but the Seicento which has the same underbody and chassis as the cinq is. The result is kind of what i expected

. Hmm invest in a rollcage perhaps?

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/fiat_seicento_2000/73.aspx

Fothsn · 13 Feb 2009 at 19:10

CaneyJ said:
Cinq not on it but the Seicento which has the same underbody and chassis as the cinq is. The result is kind of what i expected
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/fiat_seicento_2000/73.aspx

Oh!

Happy · 13 Feb 2009 at 19:11

Ouch!

Simon · 13 Feb 2009 at 19:14

CaneyJ said:
Cinq not on it but the Seicento which has the same underbody and chassis as the cinq is. The result is kind of what i expected . Hmm invest in a rollcage perhaps?

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/fiat_seicento_2000/73.aspx

Death trap :eek:

InvaderGIR · 13 Feb 2009 at 19:26

You seen the 3 series I linked to?

Happy · 13 Feb 2009 at 19:43

But that's a bigger cardboard box to start with

Either way wouldn't want to be in a crash in one.

Dogbreath · 13 Feb 2009 at 20:02

Simon said:
Death trap

Hardly any better than a Saxo, and worse than the 3 Series that InvaderGIR linked to.

Nor · 13 Feb 2009 at 20:06

MG ZS. Not on there

Gaygle · 13 Feb 2009 at 20:10

Nor said:
MG ZS. Not on there

Isn't it just a Rover 400/45?

laissez-faire · 13 Feb 2009 at 20:39

Just to clarify some of the confusion here:

A crash into an immovable object is a perfect simulation of hitting another car head on.

If you hit an immovable object offset barrier at 40mph that's EXACTLY the same as if you hit another offset by the same amount with both cars travelling at 40mph. Every action has an equal an opposite reaction, so if you push into a wall it will push back with the same force that you are pushing into it.

PMKeates · 13 Feb 2009 at 20:43

laissez-faire said:
Just to clarify some of the confusion here:

A crash into an immovable object is a perfect simulation of hitting another car head on.

If you hit an immovable object offset barrier at 40mph that's EXACTLY the same as if you hit another offset by the same amount with both cars travelling at 40mph. Every action has an equal an opposite reaction, so if you push into a wall it will push back with the same force that you are pushing into it.

Yes but the key is it's like hitting another object EXACTLY the same size and speed as you.

If you have an S-Class Merc that gets 5 stars, it protects you that well when you hit another 2-ton barge. You hit a little Clio in your S-Class, and you might not even feel it. The Clio, also a 5 star car, will have been smashed to bits.

5 Star big car > 5 Star little car.

laissez-faire · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:01

PMKeates said:
Yes but the key is it's like hitting another object EXACTLY the same size and speed as you.

If you have an S-Class Merc that gets 5 stars, it protects you that well when you hit another 2-ton barge. You hit a little Clio in your S-Class, and you might not even feel it. The Clio, also a 5 star car, will have been smashed to bits.

5 Star big car > 5 Star little car.

Yes I agree that is a big drawback to those people who don't understand the system, but providing you do understand that I don't agree at all that the system is useless.

Big cars don't actually weigh THAT much more than smaller ones. Compare the weight of a 5 series to a Ford Focus....

BMW 523i 1545kg, Ford Focus 2.0, 1327kg.

I'd rather be in a brand new Focus than a 10 year old 5 series any day of the week in a head on crash.

[TW]Fox · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:05

laissez-faire said:
I'd rather be in a brand new Focus than a 10 year old 5 series any day of the week in a head on crash.

The '10 year old' 5 Series you refer to is actually a Euro NCAP 4 Star car despite being designed before NCAP was really THAT important. Basically, it was strong, safe and solid enough to score highly without being designed to specifically pass the test. By contrast, your Focus was designed from the ground up to get 5 stars in the Euro NCAP test.

I can think of not a single situation I'd rather be in your Ford Focus than a BMW 5 Series and that includes a crash. Infact, I'd definately prefer to be in my 5 Series in the event of an accident. It's stronger, its better built and it has better safety systems.

laissez-faire · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:12

[TW]Fox;13493072 said:
The '10 year old' 5 Series you refer to is actually a Euro NCAP 4 Star car despite being designed before NCAP was really THAT important. Basically, it was strong, safe and solid enough to score highly without being designed to specifically pass the test. By contrast, your Focus was designed from the ground up to get 5 stars in the Euro NCAP test.

I can think of not a single situation I'd rather be in your Ford Focus than a BMW 5 Series and that includes a crash. Infact, I'd definately prefer to be in my 5 Series in the event of an accident. It's stronger, its better built and it has better safety systems.

It amuses me that you assume I'm talking about you. Hug for you, you must be lonely. x

Perywinkle · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:15

I reckon all my cars would be in minus numbers if they were ever tested lol

Fantom · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:22

[TW]Fox;13490310 said:
the E60 5 Series went from 4 stars to 5 stars after BMW added a bong if your seatbelt isn't on. Pathetic.

They say you drive slower when your are under the influence of cannabis...

Demon · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:27

[TW]Fox;13493072 said:
I can think of not a single situation I'd rather be in your Ford Focus than a BMW 5 Series and that includes a crash. Infact, I'd definately prefer to be in my 5 Series in the event of an accident. It's stronger, its better built and it has better safety systems.

LOL, I see exactly your point, but the obviousness is, if you where to crash in the same manner as the NCAP test, i.e. immovable stationary object at the same speed, clearly, NCAP shows you the 5 series is worse.. so there's one situation you wouldn't really want to be in your car, unless of course you like to cut your nose off to spite your face

[TW]Fox · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:32

laissez-faire said:
It amuses me that you assume I'm talking about you. Hug for you, you must be lonely. x

Not at all, you mentioned a 523i, I drive a car thats the same bodyshell, so felt it relevant

NathanE · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:44

laissez-faire said:
I'd rather be in a brand new Focus than a 10 year old 5 series any day of the week in a head on crash.

Bigger engine in the BM though - and driver sits further back... I'd rather be in the BM.

Demon · 13 Feb 2009 at 21:51

NathanE said:
Bigger engine in the BM though - and driver sits further back... I'd rather be in the BM.

And NCAP shows that crash it into something solid, and it doesn't fair as well..

I agree, however, that in some situations, the 5 series is going to be better, but when you see the fifth gear crash tests things aren't always as 'obvious'..