US Airways plane goes down in Hudson River

Read the transcript here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/05_02_09transcript.pdf

Without knowing what was going on off the R/T and phone it's hard to make any sort of judgement but it appears that the controller did bloody well considering how shook up he would be at the thought of one of his aircraft crashing. He was fairly busy (look at the times of the transmissions) and despite a few mistakes here and there he seems to keep it together.

I'd have thought he would have made more attempts to contact the downed aircraft though or get another aircraft to position overhead the expected crash site to establish if the aircraft has crashed or not. I know I would.
 
I found that odd too, reading the transcipt it reads as if he tries once or twice then carries on about his business, but I guess like you say, you don't know what else was going on..
 
I found that odd too, reading the transcipt it reads as if he tries once or twice then carries on about his business, but I guess like you say, you don't know what else was going on..

Well that's fairly normal. There are a lot of other aircraft to deal with and he has to keep them apart whilst dealing with the emergency. Unfortunately everything else can't go on hold when something like this happens, especially if the controller is very busy.
 
Out of interest, does anyone know why he was unable to make it to the other airports?

He suggests them, they are confirmed, then he states that they are 'unable' and 'we can't do it'. Just a bit confused, that's all :p
 
Jeez those air control / pilots must have sharp minds - I read the transcript and thought I was in bingo hall with all those numbers bouncing about!
 
Out of interest, does anyone know why he was unable to make it to the other airports?

He suggests them, they are confirmed, then he states that they are 'unable' and 'we can't do it'. Just a bit confused, that's all :p

He was too low and had no thrust. The plane was just a massive heavy glider at that stage and maintaining altitude was impossible. With no thrust there is a limited range before they have to land and all runways were outside this.

At first, the pilots are still assessing the situation and will have an initial plan to go for a runway. When it becomes apparent they cannot make it, they have to develop another plan, one which may not be so obvious such as putting it into the Hudson river. What you can see and hear from the recordings is the thought process and the final decision developing.

The controller will also be trying to assess what is happening and trying to offer the pilot the best solution by giving them all the relevant information they need. At the same time the controller will be trying to further understand the problem so that a plan can be put into action to deal with it and to get everything else out of the way.

I do a similar job to the controller involved as he was working a TRACON sector (Terminal RAdar CONtrol). My initial thought would be to assess the problem and try to find out exactly what is wrong with the aircraft. Next I would offer position information relative to the nearest airfields, for example... "XYZ airport is in your 2 o'clock range 28 miles, runway 08 active".
If the polits know exactly how far they are from the nearest runway threshold, they can make a decision as to whether or not they can make it.
Next in line would be to prevent more traffic from entering the sector, e.g. call the towers and tell them to stop departures, call outside sectors and tell them to hold traffic off, because the less traffic there is on frequency, the more time can be dedicated to the emergency aircraft.

I don't know if they did it but it appears from the transcript that the controller was aware the aircraft ditched in the Hudson. First thing to do when that becomes apparent is to let the supervisor know so outside agencies can be informed. Next, if any aircraft are in the area at low level they can be asked to have a look for the downed aircraft, especially if it is in a remote area. Accurate position information can help the SAR operation immensely although I doubt it was a major concern in the middle of New York city!
 
He was too low and had no thrust. The plane was just a massive heavy glider at that stage and maintaining altitude was impossible. With no thrust there is a limited range before they have to land and all runways were outside this.

Excellent post Scuzi. For the interest of others and to clarify the gliding situation, the weight of the aircraft has no effect on the glide *range* but it will mean you get to that range sooner ie. you glide faster hence your endurance is decreased.
 
Having read the transcript, I have a huge level of respect for everyone involved, not just the pilot. You can sense the worry in the controller's transmissions.

But to make that decision and position the plane to crash land on water in such a tight timescale, in what seems like 2-3 minutes at most, is staggering. That pilot is truly a hero.
 
‘Assassination By Plane Crash’ Of Top American Bankers Fails In US

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)


Russian Military Intelligence reports circulating in the Kremlin today state that an attempt to shoot down an American passenger plane over New York City carrying some of the top officials from the United States largest bank, and largest financial services company in the World, Bank of America, failed when the pilot quickly reacted to his crippled and burning aircraft by landing it in the Hudson river extinguishing the spreading flames and saving the lives of all aboard.

Quoting some of the direct statements from passengers on the attacked aircraft (including Jeff Kolodjay who stated “I heard a loud explosion from the left side of the plane [and] the smell of gas was strong.”, and Dave Sanderson who also stated “I heard an explosion and saw some flames coming from the left wing.”) the FSB additions to these reports state that ‘without a doubt’ the missile used to attack this US aircraft was a Russian made Igla-S man-portable air-defense system manufactured at the Degtyarev factory in the city of Kovrov due to its ‘unique frequency signature’ recorded by [listening devices] located at Russia’s UN Mission offices in New York City and orbiting satellites.

It has long been known by Russian Intelligence Analysts that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has been in possession of 50 Igla-S missiles stolen from Russia by the British MI6 terrorist spy ring run by their agent Hemant Lakhani, and who in 2003, while being pursued by FSB commandos was ‘rescued’ by CIA forces and brought to the United States where he remains today.

It should be noted that the United States has stated that Hemant Lakhani was ‘convicted’ by their Federal Court and sentenced to 47 years in prison for his arming of terrorists with stolen Russian weapons, but to this date, FSB requests to have this verified, and to actually see and interrogate Lakhani, have been denied by US Intelligence Officials. Likewise, repeated Russian requests to have the stolen Igla-S missiles returned have been denied as the Americans have stated that they are still being used as ‘evidence’.

To the reason behind this attack upon some of the most powerful bankers in the United States, these reports continue, was to further the collapse of the American economy by ‘assassinating by plane crash’ Bank of Americas top officials who were returning to their home base in North Carolina after negotiating a $138 Billion US government bailout, and which would ‘totally destroyed’ the stock value of Americas largest bank plunging the US into further financial chaos.

As to why these most powerful of American bankers would even be allowed to fly on aircraft normally used by ordinary people, these reports continue, the US Congress had previously pressured all of their Nations top industrial and banking officials to stop using their private airline fleets while at the same time accepting from the American taxpayers billions of dollars in bailout funds.

FSB opinions on this new American policy, however, point out that to refuse such high officials the protections and security offered by their own private airline fleets is ‘insanity’ as it not only exposes these officials to assassination but poses the ‘greatest danger possible’ to all other ordinary people surrounding them when attacks such as this occur.

Not being understood by the American people about the Bank of America, is that unlike its failed, and collapsed, counterparts on Wall Street, it has not only survived the initial onslaught against the United States financial system, but has actually been expanding by picking up some of the most lucrative parts of what has been left from the destroyed New York banks it had previously outwitted.

However, Russian Financial Analysts state in these reports that as Bank of America has now become the ‘final lynchpin’ needed to be destroyed in order to totally, and finally, collapse the United States economy, those ‘forces’ seeking to destroy America must ‘bring it down’.

This may harder, though, than its ‘adversaries’ have planned for, continue these reports, as the present day Bank of America is comprised of the two most powerful banking forces of the Vatican these past nearly 150 years with one part being the Bank of Italy, founded in San Francisco by Amadeo Giannini in 1904, and the other part being the Southern United States banking giant NationsBank located in Charlotte, North Carolina, which merged to become what today is Bank of America.

Of critical importance to note about this banking giant are its strong ties to the defeated Confederate States of America during the American Civil War of the 19th century over the United States plan to turn over their economy to a central banking economic system advocated by the European Rothschild banking empire and their Northern US industrial allies, but which was, likewise, vehemently opposed by the Southern US States led by their elite class of Moravian settlers from the Wachau area of Germany and backed by the Vatican.

continued on http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1195.htm

Very interesting. This is the first I had that the flight had so many high level bankers on it.
 
Jesus Christ Magick give it a rest, it's one thing to have an open mind, but to see conspiracies in absolutely every event is just sheer paranioa.
 
LOL - Magick, do you really see a conspiracy in everything!! :D

Saw the documentary on C4 the other night, but was a bit disappointed that it didn't really give particular respect to the pilot (only the occasional bit of praise). Sheesh, the guy was a hero in doing his job & saved all those lives.

The man deserves much love.
 
Excellent post Scuzi. For the interest of others and to clarify the gliding situation, the weight of the aircraft has no effect on the glide *range* but it will mean you get to that range sooner ie. you glide faster hence your endurance is decreased.

Surely the weight is a factor? The lift will be generated by air flowing over the wings producing an upward force. The downward force will be mass x mavity. So if it's heavier it will have a lower lift to weight ratio.

I appreciate that objects accelerate towards to the earth at the same speed regardless of mass but think in this case, weight is a factor. Would be interested if you can prove me wrong.
 
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