1984 Mini Light weight rebuild + 1600 k-series.

flyingears2002 said:
Does it matter? Its a v-pppow. p*** Poor peice of W***.

it will never grace the engine bay of my mini. Ill just put a vaux engine in there or boost the crap out a wet liner 1.4 k-series 330bhp? Yes please.
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Your seriously claiming that a Rover K Series is a better engine than a VTEC Honda engine ? If you were trying to compare as closely as possible would be a B16 I'd imagine (Jonnycoupe, Simon, Help me out here) ... that is a substantially better engine, but I guess if its going in a classic mini that has 'Character' (read rust, poor handling, poor brakes, rattling dash, cloth seats and leaking headlining and carpet) then its pretty irrelivant anyway what you put in there....
 

Yes very poor. Shocking isent it. Such poor handleing it manages to get it to lift the inside wheels out of most corners with such a low roll centre. in a 600kg car.

Very poor brakes i mean they are only stopping in 3/4 the distance a 911 does very very poor.

You know what i might sell all my minis and buy a mondeo st220.

Conanius. If i put a B16 in my mini it will run a 14.6. I ran identical times to a vtec mini the last time i went to santa pod.

If i put in a k-series on carbs and mega jolt. it will run 13.6.

Now go on about reliability. tell ya what read the posts in this thread about thermostat and head gasket first before you make yourself look like a tit.

See what im getting at here?
 
Why stick a B16 (is that the B16B, ie 185bhp/155Nm) in when you can stick the JDM B18C with 200bhp/186Nm?

It seems the 1.6 K-series is 109bhp/145Nm in stock form. I can't see the K-series being that much lighter than it,I know it is a light engine but I can't see the B18 being much more.

What are the rules for Mini Miglia? They running slicks there?

Edit - Found yes they are on them and the respective specs.
 
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The K series is lighter than the Honda B by a fair margin.

The K is used a lot in minis, there are hundreds of vids of crazy upgrades, usually to a 1.8K with VVC.

I think the best is the VVC Metro that lives up my way, driven by a tool (lovely guy, just can't drive :p ) but what can you expect. N reg, non-metallic blue, rusty but boy does it fly :D
Had the pleasure of speaking to the chap outside the local Co-op. Impressive stuff.
 
Apparently the B series is ~300lbs (136kg) with everything. And also the K series is 130kg for the one in the mk1 Elise.

It is hard to get accurate figures due to all the different versions of both the B and K series engines.

Edit - Found somewhere else that said the B18B is 148kg, so not really sure now.
 
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For all those who think that the v-pppow is such a great thing.

http://www.lyons-it.co.uk/photo/Dave Coxon/vtec.wmv

Blue mini is a B18 running 200bhp.

The car that murders it is a a-series.....

The third fastest 16valve mini is a 1.4k-series with 1.4 bar of boost in a car thats bloody heavy. eg leccy windows and the stuff like that. Oh and on continentals.

13.3 the 1.4 turbo k-series runs. Turbo k-series running just under 200bhp vs. a v-tec b18 in a lighter car. a full second quicker!

The gear ratios are wrong for a mini. please stop spamming my project thread with stuff you know nothing about.
 
Did none of you read his reasons for the k series?? Like the fact he's using the metro front end to cut down on fabrication, as well as others??
 
Thanks Osian im not going mad!

Im not going to put a crappy v-tec in my car. end of.

Reasons for not puting a v-tech into my mini.

Cost of engine.
Costs of a custom final drive suitible for the mini.
Gear ratios.
Ill have to chop three inches off the end of nadger.
Gear linkage
Engine mounting fabrication
gear linkage fabrication.
Availbility of engine is a problem.

I can get my engine ecu carbs and mega jolt in for under 500 pounds. Thats the cost of a custom final drive for a V-pppow.
 
saitrix said:
Apparently the B series is ~300lbs (136kg) with everything. And also the K series is 130kg for the one in the mk1 Elise.

It is hard to get accurate figures due to all the different versions of both the B and K series engines.

Edit - Found somewhere else that said the B18B is 148kg, so not really sure now.
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Yes they are running slicks however they are more restricted in terms of thier suspension and the car weight and ill be running them at track days where the car doesnt have to be fully road legal.

Mine will be more involved of course because im not restricted
 
Im not going to hit a honda engine Jaxon.

VVC head, ill port it to the manifold.
Solid cams. around 280-290 degree rotation.
1600 rover k-series block.
Box off a metro with a 3.5 or 3.7 final drive.
r1 carbs on a manifold im going to make up.
tubular exaust manifold. mated to a play mini link pipe then a custom back box.
 
have you considered fitting a honda block?








[runs the hell away]

;-)

good luck with the build, there used to be a 1.4 k-series turbo mini clubman just a road from me, had to have a new cat each year for its MOT, i remember the guy spending more on having a intercooler fabricated then buying the engine.
 
flyingears2002 said:
For all those who think that the v-pppow is such a great thing.

http://www.lyons-it.co.uk/photo/Dave Coxon/vtec.wmv

Blue mini is a B18 running 200bhp.

The car that murders it is a a-series.....

The third fastest 16valve mini is a 1.4k-series with 1.4 bar of boost in a car thats bloody heavy. eg leccy windows and the stuff like that. Oh and on continentals.

13.3 the 1.4 turbo k-series runs. Turbo k-series running just under 200bhp vs. a v-tec b18 in a lighter car. a full second quicker!

The gear ratios are wrong for a mini. please stop spamming my project thread with stuff you know nothing about.
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Fair enough then, though is that A-series all a series or we talking about the BMW head?

Though you are comparing turbo vs N/A...
 
Dogbreath said:
The D series engine was never used in the Metro/100, so it won't fit the Metro subframe.
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The reason i mentioned it is because quite a few people have fitted the 1600 honda engine out of a rover 200 into the metro, apart from having to shift things about a bit, i dont think there is "that" much to do, he says lol.
A lot of people who got for the 1600/1800 k series have probs with the gearbox's blowing all the time, some people off the metro power website have found a way to get the vvc gearbox to fit, might be worthwhile having a peek about on their site and see how easy it might be
 
saitrix said:
Fair enough then, though is that A-series all a series or we talking about the BMW head?

Though you are comparing turbo vs N/A...
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Not really an n/a can launch better. The turbo mini in that vid is a 5 port and has less power i mean a lot less power then the vtec.

Its not all about the power, other factors come into it aswell.
 
jaxon said:
A lot of people who got for the 1600/1800 k series have probs with the gearbox's blowing all the time, some people off the metro power website have found a way to get the vvc gearbox to fit, might be worthwhile having a peek about on their site and see how easy it might be
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The 1.4 and 1.6 K series were mated to a frankly crap Peugeot gearbox (R65), which does indeed tend to expire given any serious useage. The 1.8K was mated to the PG1 which is plenty strong enough for this engine. Probably a bit bulky for a Mini though?
 
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