Its cool to be a teen mum in the UK

GinG said:
I have a group of 3 friends, all my age (23) with gf's of 17 - 19 and they have 2 kids each :S

They all work, but 2 of the friends gf vow never to work due to them getting more money than the lads working! + they get x% of the house rent paid. I was outraged at this as me and the gf trying to move in together simply cannot afford it, where the 2 who dont work are living in nice new houses, big tv's, new computers the lot.

No wonder the UK is in the state it is!
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hmm

i could do with an upgrade

i'll duff the gf tonight

thanks for the help
 
Nitefly said:
Because what would prosecuting two children under the age of 16 possibly achieve?

The law exists primarily to give protection from child abuse.
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If someone's going to abuse a child though, the law is pretty irrelevent anyway.
 
Nitefly said:
Because what would prosecuting two children under the age of 16 possibly achieve?

The law exists primarily to give protection from child abuse.
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Thats like saying whats the point in charging someone with murder. Not going to bring the victim back is it?

It is about deterant. Prosicute them and take the child into care. They are not mature enough to look after them most of the time.

Giving them a free ride is rewarding them.
 
The whole system is screwed though. Me and my gf have been saving for over 3 years now trying to get money together to get a place of our own. Even now buying a place is just out of the question. Because of the prices here we would end up in a 1-2 bed flat in some crapola area.

Meanwhile one of my friends have had a kid with his gf they was at the age of 17 he was 19. They get given a very nice 2 bed house in quite a nice, newly developed area. They pay bugger all for rent (i think all in all he pays about 50quid a week) They didnt have to pay a thing to get that house. All he had to do was keep his wang in the slot long enough to copy.
He has a full time job and brings home a fairly nice pay packet. Yet they still get benefits and cheap rent.

Yet when myself and my gf went to the council for a house. They said you would likely be on the waiting list for at least 3years before we might be considered..... er it took my friend 3months and they got a house.

I just dont understand. Britain is making the working man (no I dont mean class) who can and are bringing skills to the country and work for a living, pay for those who really cannot be bothered to work..... Then we wonder where all the money is going.
 
phil675 said:
I was listening to something on the radio about teenage preggers last night. Apparently the height of teenage pregnancies was in the 50s, and has been dropping down since then and has now levelled out. This is nothing new. In fact you might even call it normal.
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Is this true? Please let this be true! I'd love to be able to rattle off that fact when people start getting feisty about it down the pub.
 
Nitefly said:
So, if anyone would like to help and since the topic is already at hand, can anyone give any reasons when the age of consent shouldn't be lowered in relation to pregnant teenagers? It is quite a tough argument when you consider Holland's record....
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Just to check, is the argument that the age of consent should be lowered between two teenagers of similar age? Or that the overall age of consent should be lowered?

It's a line in the sand absolutely but I think it is quite an important one because societal mores have created it and to a degree there is a co-dependant relationship between societal mores and this distinction made. Discretion should be used in some cases where the age difference is minimal or perhaps even if the young person in question can be shown to be of suitable maturity to give informed consent but as a vague approximation having 16 for the age of consent means that most people of that age will be of suitable maturity to make such decisions about what they do (ok we can debate what constitutes suitable maturity as well but that's an even bigger topic if anything). I'll come back to this later no doubt but I probably won't have time until after work now.
 
phil675 said:
I was listening to something on the radio about teenage preggers last night. Apparently the height of teenage pregnancies was in the 50s, and has been dropping down since then and has now levelled out. This is nothing new. In fact you might even call it normal.
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I call shenanigans on this claim.
 
blaze of glory said:
Thats like saying whats the point in charging someone with murder. Not going to bring the victim back is it?
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In the eyes of the law, two people consenting to have sex both under the age of 16 isn't a prosecutable crime. It is discouraged, but there has been no abuse.

Nix said:
If someone's going to abuse a child though, the law is pretty irrelevent anyway.
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That argument is fairly weak as it can go for pretty much everything. The punishment is one type of preventive measure for all crime. With no legal protection for child abuse, people could get away with it relatively easy. Children can consent but not be fully aware of the realities of a scenario.

semi-pro waster said:
Just to check, is the argument that the age of consent should be lowered between two teenagers of similar age? Or that the overall age of consent should be lowered?

Discretion should be used in some cases where the age difference is minimal or perhaps even if the young person in question can be shown to be of suitable maturity to give informed consent but as a vague approximation having 16 for the age of consent means that most people of that age will be of suitable maturity to make such decisions about what they do (ok we can debate what constitutes suitable maturity as well but that's an even bigger topic if anything). I'll come back to this later no doubt but I probably won't have time until after work now.
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The motive is 'this house should get with the times and lower the age of consent'. I am lead opposition.

There is a degree of discretion which exists. A 16 year old might not be prosecuted for sleeping with a 15 year old if circumstances permit.

My current argument mainly relies on the 'fact' that 'it is undesirable for all that children 15 years of age and younger should be permitted to have a son or daughter'. So please, tear it to pieces.
 
quite a few teenage mums at the school my 4year old boy goes to :S

some of them look as if they should be in the school nevermind dropping there kids off lol, never see the dads though
 
Evangelion said:
I call shenanigans on this claim.
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I've not found (easily) any UK supporting evidence - but the US has a pretty high teen pregnancy rate too...

(see graph a quarter down this page - though note it's only teens aged 15-19: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html )

..theirs has been dropping (albeit with a couple of bumps - heh - in the trend) since about 1950 when it seems pretty high - HOWEVER the percentage of these born out of wedlock has risen from about 10% up to 80%.

Now, whether many of these were rushed marriages to try to cover up a ******* child, I don't know. If that's the case, then it's not surprising it's gone down as society doesn't require the wedding like it used to - having unmarried parents doesn't still carry the same level of stigma.

The main thing is that it appears the levels are actually in general decrease. At least in the US.
 
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