Panasonic BD35 Vs PS3?

that is an opinion but not a fact. Blu Ray is the same and will play the same on both. There is no quality difference - 1080p is 1080p / DTS master audio is DTS master audio. Your monitor and amp/speakers will make the difference in quality not the player.

The only difference you will find in players is DVD upscaling, how many audio formats it can decode, profile 2.0, bitstreaming HD, audio CD playback, functionality, loading times etc.... There will be no quality difference when it comes to Blu Ray, even if you take the top of the range Sony BDP S5000Es or the Pioneer BDPLX91. Even Kingfat (one of the AV forums BDP player gurus) aknowleged this, when I asked if he could see/hear the difference in a "blind" test.

What rollox....i'm sorry but that's just not true. How the hell can you say a £1700 bd player will be of the same quality as a budget player and it's only the panel which is the difference?

You may say a sound codec is a sound codec, but it's the hardware which is decoding that format and how well it's doing it which will make a difference way before it hits your amp/speakers.

Although i agree with the panel making a difference, without a good source it will be able to do nothing.
 
Even Kingfat (one of the AV forums BDP player gurus) aknowleged this, when I asked if he could see/hear the difference in a "blind" test.

Is this why your good friend mr kingfats (who is very clued up on the av forums) owns one of the sony 5000's? If he thinks it's no better than a PS3 or other budget machine, why have a £900 BD player?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/8752440-post1.html
 
that is an opinion but not a fact. Blu Ray is the same and will play the same on both. There is no quality difference - 1080p is 1080p / DTS master audio is DTS master audio.

absolute rubbish, there are a whole host of processing and component quality issues between source and output.

according to your logic every vinyl record deck, every video player, every cd player, every DVD player would all play/look/sound the same to each other as well.
 
absolute rubbish, there are a whole host of processing and component quality issues between source and output.

according to your logic every vinyl record deck, every video player, every cd player, every DVD player would all play/look/sound the same to each other as well.

difficult one.

as the source quality increases, the baseline also increases. we arent talking about picking up an analogue recording on a vinyl, or any analogue recording so forget them. cd players have a whole host of different techniques available to them for reading a cd and creating an audio output - some of them oversample (by varying amounts), some of them dont over sample at all. by their very nature they WILL be different, and this is before they output anything. analogue outputs depend a great deal on the quality of the electronics used. the same can be said for any cable carrying an analogue signal. As far as video goes again, there are hundreds of different approaches to constructing an ouput from whats read on the disk. some are vastly better at deblocking than others, better colours ect ect.

when you move over to (much) higher bitrate sources, it becomes that much harder for premium players to set themselves apart. these days everything is digital - your bluray is read, decoded, doesnt need deblocking or any kind of noise-defeating techniques. it doesnt need anything, basically. the audio is lossless, doesnt need any manipulating when you can output the steam, totally untouched, to an av amp.

Now, apparently, there is a difference between letting say, the ps3 decode HD audio on a bluray and output that as lpcm to letting a bd35 output the native TrueHD/dts:ma track to an amplifier. i say apparently because i dont have the inclination to try a standalone with my setup - my ps3 more than suffices.

when you're transporting everything in digital, what it comes down to in the end is jitter. and thats just a bag of roflcopters from start to finish. ill give you an idea, ive had dosens of sound cards over the years and there has been bugger all difference in sound quality between any of them over spdif apart from the early cards which all had a bit of a problem with audio in general. im thinking of my old soundstorm-equipped abit nf7-s, here. the output was not perfect, be it spid or (especially) analogue. everything new ive tried has been damn near identical and i cant honestly tell the difference between realtek onboard, an xonar d2, my laptop or my htpc's hdmi outputs when it comes to 44.1khz, 24 bit audio. there's so little in it i honestly cant hear it.

video, also. both my laptop and my htpc are capable of playing a bluray, just like my ps3 is, and again there's nothing in the picture quality or the sound quality. Theorys are all well and good but the proof is in the testing and ive found it all a bit underwhelming tbh. to improve on any of them i think id need to be aiming for balanced 7.1 outputs to a full team of balanced amplifiers, but i just dont have £10k to spend and i wouldnt want to if i did lol.
 
Is this why your good friend mr kingfats (who is very clued up on the av forums) owns one of the sony 5000's? If he thinks it's no better than a PS3 or other budget machine, why have a £900 BD player?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/8752440-post1.html


because he is an enthusiast. he actually owns many more BD players including both the top of the line Pio and the Sony.

I have actually demoed the BD35 and Sony 550 at home (I have a cool local shop) because I wanted a player that could bitstream HD audio which the PS3 will not. Other than that I noticed 0 difference in the PQ and audio quality.

just because it's more expensive doesnt make it play blu ray better. does a 2000$ Dupont lighter light a cigarette better than a 50p throwaway? Are you one who advocates spending ridiculous amounts on cabling too?

If you understood anything about Blu Ray players you would actually know that the difference in models is not the Blu ray quality but in other areas, and not just the panelling ;)

Sorry, but you thinking that the BD35 plays Blu Ray better than PS3 is called placebo effect. I bet if you did a blind test - you could not tell which Blu Ray player was playing. http://www.avforums.com/forums/8899779-post909.html
http://www.avforums.com/forums/8084037-post30.html

maybe you should brush up a bit before posting these kind of misleading comments.

PS all that said I am actually considering buying an Oppo to upscale my DVDs, but need to find one to demo first
 
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What rollox....i'm sorry but that's just not true. How the hell can you say a £1700 bd player will be of the same quality as a budget player and it's only the panel which is the difference?

You may say a sound codec is a sound codec, but it's the hardware which is decoding that format and how well it's doing it which will make a difference way before it hits your amp/speakers.

Although i agree with the panel making a difference, without a good source it will be able to do nothing.

Money has nothing to do with it.....unless you're an audiophile and 'want' it to make a difference to justify your spending.

For example the Oppo 983 is a better player than DVD players costing 3 times as much....just see the hometheater benchmarks for that.

As for sound, I hope you're not advocating that a PS3 decoding to LPCM and passing over HDMI to a receiver sounds different than decoding the bitstream in the receiver. There is only one correct way to decode a bitstream, it doesn't matter whether the PS3 does it or the amp. It's still the amp's DACs and processing that are doing the conversion to analogue.

Anyways, hi-def formats seem to have made audiophiles go completely nuts with what differences they think they can tell between players.
 
Money has nothing to do with it.....unless you're an audiophile and 'want' it to make a difference to justify your spending.


+1 in fact an audiophile would most likely have a stand alone CD player, or at least top of the line BDP and certainly not a BD35 or Sony 350
 
because he is an enthusiast. he actually owns many more BD players including both the top of the line Pio and the Sony.

I have actually demoed the BD35 and Sony 550 at home (I have a cool local shop) because I wanted a player that could bitstream HD audio which the PS3 will not. Other than that I noticed 0 difference in the PQ and audio quality.

just because it's more expensive doesnt make it play blu ray better. does a 2000$ Dupont lighter light a cigarette better than a 50p throwaway? Are you one who advocates spending ridiculous amounts on cabling too?

If you understood anything about Blu Ray players you would actually know that the difference in models is not the Blu ray quality but in other areas, and not just the panelling ;)

Sorry, but you thinking that the BD35 plays Blu Ray better than PS3 is called placebo effect. I bet if you did a blind test - you could not tell which Blu Ray player was playing. http://www.avforums.com/forums/8899779-post909.html
http://www.avforums.com/forums/8084037-post30.html

maybe you should brush up a bit before posting these kind of misleading comments.

PS all that said I am actually considering buying an Oppo to upscale my DVDs, but need to find one to demo first


so because he's an enthusiast he chooses to spend £1000 on a player rather than £150? I'd call that an absolute waste if what you say is true.
Comparing lighters to complex electrial componants is complete nonsense yet you have the audacity to say i know nothing about AV equipment.

Cabling is a completely different argument and nothing to do with what you're saying about all AV hardware being equal no matter the level.

Why is it that BD players are all equal yet DVD upscalers are not?

Personally, i think you're talking absolute dribble and are just out for an arguement. I've already proved you're facts wrong.
 
/yawn. seriously you are looking foolish

what points did you make? just spewing opinion and no facts, not really called proof. do us a favor and read/demo a bit more before ranting, as you obviously are lacking knowledge in this matter.

PS: he actually spent more on BDP players since he owns many including a £1400 Pioneer. at least bother to read the links, you may learn a thing or two. he is an enthusiast and likes to spend his money the way he wants. Personally I wouldn't, but am glad he can share his knowledge with us.
 
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Money has nothing to do with it.....unless you're an audiophile and 'want' it to make a difference to justify your spending.

For example the Oppo 983 is a better player than DVD players costing 3 times as much....just see the hometheater benchmarks for that.

As for sound, I hope you're not advocating that a PS3 decoding to LPCM and passing over HDMI to a receiver sounds different than decoding the bitstream in the receiver. There is only one correct way to decode a bitstream, it doesn't matter whether the PS3 does it or the amp. It's still the amp's DACs and processing that are doing the conversion to analogue.

Anyways, hi-def formats seem to have made audiophiles go completely nuts with what differences they think they can tell between players.

I didn't say money was a defining factor, i was trying to paint a picture of the level of hardware in question.

I'm not advocating anything with regards to sound. You make assumptions that everyone has their AV kit setup the same and everyone decodes audio at the same point. Everyone does it different because some methods sound better than others to different people. There is no correct or incorrect way of doing it.
 
/yawn. seriously you are looking foolish

what points did you make? just spewing opinion and no facts. do us a favor and read/demo a bit more before ranting

Pot, kettle and black spring to mind.

You rant and rave about some guy on AVforums has done blind tests and all hardware is equal, yet he owns a £1000 BD player himself.

You've stated no facts at all just raved on about one person opinions....which you got wrong.

How you can actually believe that all hardware is equal is beyond a joke

EDIT: and i'm still waiting for you to tell me which of my statements needs brushing up on?
 
yes, he was talking about bluray picture and audio quality.

now, where did he say all av hardware was equal?

So picture quality and audio quality are not affected by AV hardware then? I would make the assumption that considering he's saying that all PQ from every BD player is the same and that all SQ is the same it would include all the hardware in an AV setup?

All this was gathered from asking the guy on AVforums if he could tell the difference between a sony 550 and a PS3. The levels of hardware there reasonably close anyway.

Do you honestly believe that all PQ and SQ from every BD player is the same.....?! It's beyond laughable.
 
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PS: he actually spent more on BDP players since he owns many including a £1400 Pioneer. at least bother to read the links, you may learn a thing or two. he is an enthusiast and likes to spend his money the way he wants. Personally I wouldn't, but am glad he can share his knowledge with us.

i did read the links....you asked about a comparison with a sony550 and a PS3....!

not all players :rolleyes:
 
So picture quality and audio quality are not affected by AV hardware then?

the differences are incredibly small from cheap player to a very expensive one. now why would a player dramatically alter the sound output when its bitstreaming to an amp, for example?

I would make the assumption that considering he's saying that all PQ from every BD player is the same and that all SQ is the same it would include all the hardware in an AV setup?...........

Do you honestly believe that all PQ and SQ from every BD player is the same.....?! It's beyond laughable.

its bloody close. please, feel free to prove otherwise and keep it friendly while we're at it, eh?
 
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I clearly said that the difference in PQ and audio will come from TV and am/speaker combo for blu ray. The 550 is model above to the 350 so not sure what is your point. BTW i have also tested and demoed at home the BD35 and 550 vs PS3 and couldn't tell the difference in Blu Ray playback vs them.

anyway I am stopping this since this is going nowhere.

Others will take what they want from this, and probably best to demo stuff for themselves instead of relying on misleading PQ and audio improvements of Blu Ray.

PS the thread I linked is well over 60 pages long so i doubt you read it fully. As i said a 100 times the difference between blu ray playesr is other than reading Blu Rays. there are tons of threads on this on Av forums, I pointed to a few to give you a start.
 
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I think the fact that AV companies go through thr RD and procude players and kit well over £1000 says it all. Why would they do that and why would people actually buy it if there was no difference?

You can't proove anything either way....it's impossible because it's all subjective.

I think it's a little Blasé to state that the PQ and SQ from these players are all the same.

Anyway....bored of this now.

Unless the OP wants a games console, i'd happily recommend the BD35. It's a very fine player.
 
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