It's all BALLS, BALLS, BALLS, BALLS really

AJUK · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:19

So you accept that corporations and politicians screw you over yet you accept it. How bizzare?

I wouldn't say I like to fight the machine, I fight it because someone has to.

Mr^B · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:25

rypt said:
No money works in star trek, why not in real life?

On the off chance that you're not being sarcastic...

It's because the star trek universe isn't based on finite resources.

Unfortunately ours is.

Economics is merely the science of finite resources.

magick · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:29

Mr^B said:
On the off chance that you're not being sarcastic...

It's because the star trek universe isn't based on finite resources.

Unfortunately ours is.

Economics is merely the science of finite resources.

The only things that are limited in this universe are our minds and our ability to transcend the fake materialism we're indoctrinated into.

However congratulations laissez-faire for taking the giant leap towards freedom.

AJUK · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:30

The only limit is our imagination:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

SexyGreyFox · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:33

rypt said:
No money works in star trek, why not in real life?

Eh, they do have money in Star Trek

AJUK · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:33

Time is running out and many people are in for a monumental shock.

magick · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:35

AJUK said:
The only limit is our imagination:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Did you hear about the venus project from the new zeitgeist addendum?

Also worth checking out is 'future by design' a full documentary on the venus project.

Mr^B · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:36

magick said:
The only things that are limited in this universe are our minds and our ability to transcend the fake materialism we're indoctrinated into.

However congratulations laissez-faire for taking the giant leap towards freedom.

I think you mean that they are the only things that are NOT limited.

I love the idea of "fake materialism", as opposed to what? "Real materialism".

Who is doing the indoctrinating by the way? I'm curious? And to what end?

Gotta love the meandering, meaningless rhetoric, though the language could do with a spruce up - philosophers have been regurgitating the same line for 1000s of years, and it hasn't done anyone much good yet. It's sold a few books mind you, so perhaps there is something in it after all...

Nitefly · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:37

AJUK said:
I wouldn't say I like to fight the machine, I fight it because someone has to.

I like that very much a lot

Mr^B · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:38

dmpoole said:
Eh, they do have money in Star Trek

I think he was referring to the Federation, rather than say the Ferrengi.

Holy cow, I've turned into a star trek bore! Now that IS something to get worried about.

laissez-faire · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:38

AJUK said:
The only limit is our imagination:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

WOW, seeing what a load of totally unworkable BS that is has totally restored my faith in the invisible hand and free-market economics. THANKS - now I can get back to my dissertation

That is literally communism with a few pretty utopic pictures, and sadly as we all know, communism doesn't produce much reliable technology. Nothing ever works and it's all shoddy. No-one is happy and there are massive shortages of everything

Mr^B · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:39

AJUK said:
Time is running out and many people are in for a monumental shock.

You sound like an Eastender's tag-line. I half-expected to hear the drums after that.

AJUK · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:41

laissez-faire said:
WOW, seeing what a load of totally unworkable BS that is has totally restored my faith in the invisible hand and free-market economics. THANKS - now I can get back to my dissertation

That is literally communism with a few pretty utopic, and sadly as we all know, communism doesn't produce much reliable technology. Nothing ever works and it's all shoddy. No-one is happy and there are massive shortages of everything

Enjoy...until your money runs out.

laissez-faire · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:43

AJUK said:
Enjoy...until your money runs out.

If everyone has less money then things just become cheaper, that's how it works.

The resources we are all fighting over aren't going disappear. Money will always work as a means of exchange.

Chimerical · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:46

AJUK said:
Enjoy...until your money runs out.

What I can't work out is how you think its all hidden from us or something.

Its not as if information is being stifled or controlled. We're not under any kind of facist dictatorship and we know of all the faults of our Government and the mistakes they make and they are criticised on a daily basis.

I don't see the conspiracy in any of that. The fact that you're able to protest and get your voice heard shows that there is no conspiracy.

AJUK · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:47

The resources we are all fighting over aren't going to disappear.

Oil? The very basis of our economy and the root of all wars in the late modern era. Yep, that's going to last forever.

laissez-faire · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:50

AJUK said:
The resources we are all fighting over aren't going to disappear.

Oil? The very basis of our economy and the root of all wars in the late modern era. Yep, that's going to last forever.

I ABSOLUTELY 100% GUARANTEE YOU THAT OIL WILL LAST FOREVER. It will just keep getting more and more expensive so fewer people will buy it. But even 1000 years in the future you'll still be able to buy a barrel of oil with NO TROUBLE at all.

For sure, it's going to eventually get more expensive, but as soon as the alternatives to oil become cheaper, that's when we'll start using them. At the moment oil is the cheapest we've got, so we may as well use it. Why spend a million quid on a fuel cell car when you can spend £20'000 on a decent oil driven one?

By the time oil gets back up around $150 a barrel then we'll start investing more in the alternatives.

SexyGreyFox · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:55

Mr^B said:
I think he was referring to the Federation, rather than say the Ferrengi.

But but but The Federation need money in space

AJUK · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:56

Chimerical said:
What I can't work out is how you think its all hidden from us or something.

Its not as if information is being stifled or controlled. We're not under any kind of facist dictatorship and we know of all the faults of our Government and the mistakes they make and they are criticised on a daily basis.

I don't see the conspiracy in any of that. The fact that you're able to protest and get your voice heard shows that there is no conspiracy.

Information is not being stifled or controlled.

Do you know about the riots in Lithuania and other new European countries at the moment?
Are you aware of the Texas National Guard being mobilised to prevent Mexicans storming the US border?
Does your financial knowledge extend to the massive currency purchase of Sterling, the Dollar and the Euro by the Chinese?
Twenty US states have put in place legislation to reject Federal mandates, what does this mean for the Union?
Obama has formed Youth Brigades and children in the US sing song about him in assembly every morning?

I thought not, very few people are actually aware of what is actually going on in the world because they are hypnotised by the mass media.

Kol · 28 Feb 2009 at 20:58

Moses99p said:
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Whoa, whoa, whoa... WHOA. Hang on, you didn't start with 'Hi there' ... have you grown out of it?!