Help 95 in a 60 zone.

deko · 2 Mar 2009 at 23:40

QBitOscillation said:
Yes, because I read the highway code in bed every night just for fun

When you have been driving as long as me then maybe you will forget the odd thing or two also.

Speed limits on NSL roads arent odd things, they are pretty fundamental limits that you should definetely know.

QBitOscillation · 2 Mar 2009 at 23:47

For GODSsake !

Its either 60 or 70.

Seems like it should be 70 but its probably signed for 60.

I found out also that lorries are restricted to 40mph.

No frigging wonder they were going so slowly and people were diving in and out trying to overtake.

I didnt do that but waited until the dual carriageway and still paid the price.

The road is a bit of a joke, and lots of people are campaining for lorries to be allowed up to 50.

Recently found those details out.

Janesy B · 2 Mar 2009 at 23:50

Ah thats great, so in court and you were asked if you were aware of the speed you should have been doing, you'll answer 'oh it's 60 or 70'.

Great, they'll love you for that.

QBitOscillation · 3 Mar 2009 at 00:05

Janesy B said:
Ah thats great, so in court and you were asked if you were aware of the speed you should have been doing, you'll answer 'oh it's 60 or 70'.

Great, they'll love you for that.

Yeah, thats unlikely as if you had actually read above you would have seen I was asking MrLOL about not going due to checking insurance quotes.

If you have nothing else to say than just whinge at me like a lonely puppy, can you please bugger off ?

Many thanks,

Qbit.

Will Gill · 3 Mar 2009 at 00:07

i find this hard to believe

forgive me if I stake a BS claim

good luck with your case

Vigoro · 3 Mar 2009 at 00:08

Not going where? if you mean court then you normally have no choice in the matter lol

Janesy B · 3 Mar 2009 at 00:08

I don't need a forum to tell me whether i should take the points or go to court and contest it, which would be very silly as you didn't even know how fast you were supposed to be going because you somehow think that you don't need to know this and it isn't important.

Good day to you.

QBitOscillation · 3 Mar 2009 at 00:22

Will Gill said:
i find this hard to believe

forgive me if I stake a BS claim

good luck with your case

Sorry whats the problem?

I want to try and get points if possible to keep the insurance down.

My decision on whether to attend or not would be made by looking at the potential outcomes of a postal conclusion or a personal attendance.

Whats BS about that?

Are you saying I have made up being collared by the Police?

QBitOscillation · 3 Mar 2009 at 00:29

Janesy B said:
I don't need a forum to tell me whether i should take the points or go to court and contest it, which would be very silly as you didn't even know how fast you were supposed to be going because you somehow think that you don't need to know this and it isn't important.

Good day to you.

Youve annoyed me now! Did you read my posts?

Im not contesting it.... The issue is whether to attend, or just plead guilty by post!

shady · 3 Mar 2009 at 01:45

Getting caught isn't the issue, the higher the speed, the higher the risk. However safe you think you are, you cannot rely on other people's judgement or errors. The fact he was overtaking, coming to change in road conditions, potential of deer also increased the risk.

The A9 is reported as being the deadliest road in Scotland.

Week after week in the local papers, there are sorry tales of widows and orphans after crashes caused by reckless drivers on this road who it is 'OK' to do 80, 90, 100mph+ on this road.

Yes there are lorries and caravans, yes, it switches from dual to single carriageway a lot. But there are a hell of a lot of others putting their foot down, knowingly risking theirs and others' lives.

There is a never-ending campaign for it to be dualled all the wayfrom Perth to Inverness. I say not until people learn how to use it.

Pay your fine, serve your ban, learn your lesson.

dirtydog · 3 Mar 2009 at 05:21

emailiscrap said:
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Thanks

But the OP seems unsure what the limit was on the stretch where he was caught.

If I was him I would just plead guilty by post. I did that when I was caught at 96 (iirc) in a 70 and I got 5 points and a modest fine.

Kingy · 3 Mar 2009 at 07:33

MrLOL said:
I still speed, but never more than 20mph over the limit, so that if i do get caught, its only a simple 3 points and £60.

You seem like a knowledageable chap, and clearly you have first hand experience, but do you mind if I ask for your source of information?

I always thought (no source) that it was 30mph over the limit that got you into proper trouble with a possible ban, and consequently normally sit with the cruise control at 98/99mph GPS, safe in the (apparently ignorant) knowledge that I'd only get 3 points / £60. In the light of the proper quoted information from reputable websites that we've seen here and in DD's recent thread, rather than the usual pub talk, it's made me think enough to consider change.

If I had a proper link to police / magistrates guidlines, effectively stating that cruising at 98/99mph GPS gets me a court appearance and a combination of 6 points, up to a grand fine, and a short ban, but that 90/95mph GPS (you say 25 mph over the limit is the threshold, but that you only do 20mph above, is this for any reason than a bit of a buffer zone?) would get me a lecture, 3 points and £60 fine, then I would serioulsy consider changing the speed at which I cruise.

Are the thresholds above the limit consistent across the range of speed limits?

Fr0dders · 3 Mar 2009 at 09:31

Kingy said:
You seem like a knowledageable chap, and clearly you have first hand experience, but do you mind if I ask for your source of information?

I always thought (no source) that it was 30mph over the limit that got you into proper trouble with a possible ban, and consequently normally sit with the cruise control at 98/99mph GPS, safe in the (apparently ignorant) knowledge that I'd only get 3 points / £60. In the light of the proper quoted information from reputable websites that we've seen here and in DD's recent thread, rather than the usual pub talk, it's made me think enough to consider change.

When i was pulled for doing 107, the copper informed me that he has to refer anything more than 25mph over the limit or over for the consideration of the magistrates.

At exactly 96, if you've got a clean license its possible they may not refer you to the magistrates at all, and issue you 3 points and £60. The key thing here is consideration

Its not a hard and fast rule that 96 = court and a ban. The only hard and fast rule is that if get caught doing 95 or less, they cant refer you to the magistrate unless they want to report you for consideration of Dangerous or Careless driving.

Assuming you had 6 points, and got caught doing 96, you probably would go to court. Once there, your fate is entirely up to the magistrate. Bug One got caught doing 116 and was banned for 28 days, I was caught doing 107 and was banned for 28 days, but Lopez was caught doing 100 + and got off with a large fine and no points, as loosing his license meant loosing his job.

If you can proove you need your license for your job, you can escape a ban.

You need to make sure that your GPS speed is less than 96. To be absolutely sure, i would probably be doing about a 93 indicated, so that would be about 90 GPS.

heres a link to the ACPO guidlines that mention the 26mph rule for referral a magistrate. Only exception is 30mph where its more than 19mph over the limit, and in a 20 limit its more than 14mph the limit that gets you sent to court.

http://www.pepipoo.com/files/ACPO/ACPO_enforcement_guidelines.htm

londonbairn · 3 Mar 2009 at 09:39

MrLOL said:
If you can proove you need your license for your job, you can escape a ban.

He's right, I got caught doing in excess of 100mph several years ago, I got my employer (was a student at the time) to write a letter saying I required my car and I got 6 points and £150.

DezUk · 3 Mar 2009 at 10:18

Hi mate sorry to hear about it, the A9 is notorious for speeding!

I got caught doing 98 in a 60 on the A8 in August 07 by a volvo car parked at the side of the road. I was pulled over and was shown the 98 flashing on the gun. Anyway i didnt argue my case at all and was given a mandatory court summons for speeding. I ended up getting 6 points and a £200 fine after pleading guilty with no lawyer.

I already had 3 points from a previous speeding offence for 67 in a 40 of a speed camera van heading into Edinburgh. But at least your looking at 6 points and a fine. If you want contact me on msn and we can chat as i know its stressfull.

Egon · 3 Mar 2009 at 10:28

Wife got £180 fine and 6 points for doing 84 in a 50. But that was a roadworks zone so higher risk. But I wouldn't be surprised if you got something along those lines.

But neither would I be surprised at a £60 and 3 points. A ban would be harsh imo... for what its worth.

datawrite · 3 Mar 2009 at 10:42

Well, i got caught doing 65 in a 40 zone, again roadworks by a motorbike cop!

He listened to me, explained how i had been a bad boy and then gave me 3 points and a £60 fine. He said he could have thrown the book at me!!

Fr0dders · 3 Mar 2009 at 11:29

datawrite said:
Well, i got caught doing 65 in a 40 zone, again roadworks by a motorbike cop!

He listened to me, explained how i had been a bad boy and then gave me 3 points and a £60 fine. He said he could have thrown the book at me!!

if your speed had been 66 it would have been referred and out of his hands.

1mph is awfully close !

datawrite · 3 Mar 2009 at 11:31

They must have some say though as a mate of mine was doing 75 in a 40 limit and a cop gave him the same as me!

Fr0dders · 3 Mar 2009 at 11:39

then the cop is fiddling the figures

The officer in charge of making the decisions back at the police station doesnt have to know if the officer doesnt tell him.

But this is out of the goodness of his own heart, if he was following procedure he should have gone to court.