'10 shot dead' at German school + Ten die in Alabama shooting spree

ghost101 said:
So basically they are saying there are less burglaries in small towns which mandate having guns than in South London.

Therefore your conclusion is that the UK is more violent.
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My conclusion is based on what I believe I have heard and read about the statistics in the past. I am just googling for some figures now.
 
But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.

You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm
 
dirtydog said:
As I said, violent crime overall is worse than in the US. Violent crime isn't only gun crime.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Prisoner_population_rate_UN_HDR_2007_2008.PNG



The janks have more gun homicides than any other country, and relatively much homicides in total compared to the UK. And a massive Prison population to anywhere in the world except Russia...
 
snowdog said:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Prisoner_population_rate_UN_HDR_2007_2008.PNG



The janks have more gun homicides than any other country, and relatively much homicides in total compared to the UK. And a massive Prison population to anywhere in the world except Russia...
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You will note, if you read my posts that I did not say gun crime was lower in the US. I said the US is less violent overall and I believe the figures do back this up. The UK is a very violent society nowadays unfortunately.
 
As an American living in the UK I can say that just walking down the street on a Friday night I feel far less safe than if I were doing the same where I'm from in America.

Crazy, unpredictable chav kids are what scare me about this country. I've been to a rave in the states where there was a shooting and one of my highschools was shot up in the 80s, but things like that are far less likely to happen than being shanked over here by some chav drunk on cider.
 
dirtydog said:
You will note, if you read my posts that I did not say gun crime was lower in the US. I said the US is less violent overall and I believe the figures do back this up. The UK is a very violent society nowadays unfortunately.
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I believe the US violence is worse though:
0.042802 per 1,000 people murdered in the USA
0.0140633 per 1,000 people murdered in the UK
(regardless of guns)

He's already dead.
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Yep shot by cops :).
 
A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.

England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.

The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults.

Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi.

The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches.

David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said.

Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem.

The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article568214.ece

The public misconception is that the UK is a safe country and the US violent, but the truth is just the opposite. Depending on which numbers you choose, the violent crime rate in the UK is five times higher than the rate in the US.
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http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01/crime-in-uk-versus-crime-in-us.html
 
lowrider007 said:
Agreed, but I'd still rather live in a country where I have more chance of being beaten or knifed than shot dead.
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I'd like to live in a country where it's safe to walk the streets at night, or venture into our town centres without encountering drunken violent yobs.
 
Well I decided to check up on these statistics.

The FBI Uniform Crine Reports do not include "minor" assaults while the UK reported rates count all forms of assaults even if it is merely "pushing".

Hence you get something like this

UCR_versus_NCVS.PNG


Hence the disparity between England/Wales and US rates of crime.

Also note that the NCVS rates are more comparable to the British Crime Survey which again didn't see the massive jump in crime rates the overall reported violent crime rates did in the UK when rules changed.
 
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