It's Luton, there be protests.

Hellsmk2 · 12 Mar 2009 at 14:44

dirtydog said:
The joys of multiculturalism

These scum make me sick and I don't consider them British, I don't care if they were born here they aren't my people.

I remember a time, many years ago, when you used to be the voice of reason and far more tolerant. What has happened over the past two or three years to make you change your opinion on just about every issue.

I want the old dirtydog back

Sankari · 12 Mar 2009 at 14:48

dirtydog said:
The joys of multiculturalism

This is not the result of multiculturalism; it is the result of isolationism, which is the direct opposite of multiculturalism.

When Muslim communities refuse to integrate (as multiculturalism requires) you can expect them to become increasingly removed from mainstream society and their ideology will follow suit.

Hellsmk2 · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:01

Evangelion said:
This is not the result of multiculturalism; it is the result of isolationism, which is the direct opposite of multiculturalism.

When Muslim communities refuse to integrate (as multiculturalism requires) you can expect them to become increasingly removed from mainstream society and their ideology will follow suit.

England is the most multicultural society in the world. I've travelled and lived abroad, and am always shocked at how many people of different races you see (not many). It makes me proud to be British when I'm walking down the street with a nice mix of race and backgrounds. The only other place I've seen that is comparable is New York - one single state!

There will always be muppets from every race, but overtime, intergration will happen more and more. It's perfectly natural to see segregated races at the onset of immigration. People naturally levitate to those they have a common bond with at the start. As generations go by, those bonds start to spread and intergration happens. It's a gradual process, not one which can happen overnight.

When you consider that the majority of immigrants have come to the UK over the past 60- 70 years, the UK really is a shining example of multiculturalism and intergration in action. Old attitudes are dying and being replaced by more tolerant and accepting ones. In a hundred years time I doubt intergration will be talked about as bitterly as it is now.

People don't like change, but it's happening and it's in the interests of this country and the world long term.

[edit]I was born and grew up in Oldham centre, which has a massive asian population and was where the 'race riots' began... before anyone comes back with the retarded "you don't know what it's like" sentence.

dirtydog · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:06

Hellsmk2 said:
I remember a time, many years ago, when you used to be the voice of reason and far more tolerant. What has happened over the past two or three years to make you change your opinion on just about every issue.

I want the old dirtydog back

I am perfectly tolerant, it's a shame Muslims aren't. I don't think I've changed my opinions in the seven years I've been here have I?

dirtydog · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:07

Evangelion said:
This is not the result of multiculturalism; it is the result of isolationism, which is the direct opposite of multiculturalism.

When Muslim communities refuse to integrate (as multiculturalism requires) you can expect them to become increasingly removed from mainstream society and their ideology will follow suit.

Multiculturalism and integration are mutually exclusive - you cannot have both simultaneously.

DreamBox · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:11

Azagoth said:
Scum! Nothing but pure scum! Religion of peace and tolerance my arse!

Yeah because the action of a very small group is a great representation of a religion of 1+ Billion :rolleyes:

dirtydog said:
I am perfectly tolerant, it's a shame Muslims aren't.

lol, ignorant or just plain stupid more like! Yeah, all muslims are EXACLTY the same :rolleyes:

You come across like a complete racist tool tbh!

Yas786 · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:14

dirtydog said:
I am perfectly tolerant, it's a shame Muslims aren't. I don't think I've changed my opinions in the seven years I've been here have I?

Thats laughable...you perfectly tolerant??.. :eek:

.

It might help in the future if you said 'some' muslims rather than muslims in general...generalisations do not make you look clever.

meghatronic · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:14

DreamBox said:
Yeah because the action of a very small group is a great representation of a religion of 1+ Billion

Sigh.

dirtydog · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:16

Spawn said:
Thats laughable...you perfectly tolerant??...

Yep. I don't want to stone gays, or rape victims, to death, or carry out 'honour killings' on members of my family.

The Mad Rapper · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:19

dsb said:
Whats your opinion on this?

Off with with their heads!

Cryogenic · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:19

dirtydog said:
What views are those? I suspect my views aren't as marginal as you might like to think.

See above posts on what people think, we can't all be wrong

DreamBox · 12 Mar 2009 at 15:20

dirtydog said:
Yep. I don't want to stone gays, or rape victims, to death, or carry out 'honour killings' on members of my family.

That's got absolutely nothing to do with YOUR blatant bigotry and sweeping prejudice!

Azagoth · 12 Mar 2009 at 17:39

DreamBox said:
lol, ignorant or just plain stupid more like! Yeah, all muslims are EXACLTY the same You come across like a complete racist tool tbh!

Perhaps you could explain to me, and the rest of the educated populace, just when Islam stopped being a religion and suddenly became a race.

NeilF · 12 Mar 2009 at 18:04

Azagoth said:
Perhaps you could explain to me, and the rest of the educated populace, just when Islam stopped being a religion and suddenly became a race.

LOL!

fini · 12 Mar 2009 at 18:20

Azagoth said:
Perhaps you could explain to me, and the rest of the educated populace, just when Islam stopped being a religion and suddenly became a race.

Well it depends how you define race really. Under almost all race relation acts stretching back a good 30 years when you look at what they actually cover they'll talk about race, nationality or religion - so if you look at it that way the government has been doing so since before you were born.

Chimerical · 12 Mar 2009 at 18:50

dirtydog said:
Yep. I don't want to stone gays, or rape victims, to death, or carry out 'honour killings' on members of my family.

Yes, because they all want to do that...

dirtydog said:
I am perfectly tolerant, it's a shame Muslims aren't. I don't think I've changed my opinions in the seven years I've been here have I?

Of course your not tolerant. You're making sweeping generalisations and randomly accusing all Muslims of being unable to integrate.

RDM · 12 Mar 2009 at 18:57

fini said:
Well it depends how you define race really. Under almost all race relation acts stretching back a good 30 years when you look at what they actually cover they'll talk about race, nationality or religion - so if you look at it that way the government has been doing so since before you were born.

So why did we need seperate laws on inciting religious hatred? Why were they not already covered under the inciting racial hatred laws?

rodo · 12 Mar 2009 at 18:59

dirtydog said:
I am perfectly tolerant, it's a shame Muslims aren't. I don't think I've changed my opinions in the seven years I've been here have I?

Have you got enough tar on your brush?

fini · 12 Mar 2009 at 19:02

RDM said:
So why did we need seperate laws on inciting religious hatred? Why were they not already covered under the inciting racial hatred laws?

The way that it's worded it only effectively covers some religions - so the newer laws closed this issue and effectively protected all religions.

RDM · 12 Mar 2009 at 19:06

fini said:
The way that it's worded it only effectively covers some religions - so the newer laws closed this issue and effectively protected all religions.

Which is actually a bit of a shame because, as you mentioned in a previous post/thread it actually makes it much harder to criticise religion in general. Which I think is a bad thing.

Didn't the previous legislation pretty much only apply to Christianity, Sihkism and Judaism? With Judaism being the odd one with Jews being considered both a race and a religion?

It does still however stand that to be against Islam isn't racism, though a lot of racists are also against Islam. To protect religion from criticism is pretty much akin to protecting political views from criticism, you choose both after all.