Sony will no longer touch 60gb PS3s.

Joebob said:
The Sale of Goods Act covers goods for what is considered to be a 'reasonable' length of time. Therefore it is subjective depending on the goods bought and even the quality of the brand has a bearing on what is considered to be reasonable. The 12 month warranty is direct with the manufacturer and not relevant to the retailer and the SOGA,
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As you have posted above , however, (after 6 months) you need to prove that the product is inherently faulty. Save for an obvious manufacturing defect or a RROD type issue proving such inherent fault is, at best, extremely difficult.

@Apopcalyptic - limit of liability typically stands at 6 years except for certain types of loss - and in this case you certainly couldn't argue more than 6 years.
 
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Apopcalyptic said:
Given Sony's projected '10 year life' of the PS3, is 10 years a reasonable length of time?
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10 Years is a reasonable time, perhaps even longer! You could give examples of how other consoles have lasted the PS1 for example.

I read earlier in this thread that you as a consumer have to prove that thier is an inherent fault in the console when it was manufactuered. This is no longer true, the onus is now on the shop you bought it from to prove their was no fault. Which is far better for the consumer.
 
wnb said:
10 Years is a reasonable time, perhaps even longer! You could give examples of how other consoles have lasted the PS1 for example.
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Wrong. As I posted above, the limitation of liability in the vast majority of civil matters is 6 years.

wnb said:
I read earlier in this thread that you as a consumer have to prove that thier is an inherent fault in the console when it was manufactuered. This is no longer true, the onus is now on the shop you bought it from to prove their was no fault. Which is far better for the consumer.
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Wrong. The onus is as it always was - which is that any fault is presumed to be inherent if it occurs within the first six months, unless the seller can prove otherwise; any fault occurring after six months is presumed to not be inherent, unless the buyer can prove otherwise.
 
this is the problem. after 6 months its down to you to prove the item was inherently faulty when you puchased it.

tbh id just sign up to continous play for a couple of months and get it replaced that way.

also my local independent store is offering ps3 repairs 65 quid so it might be worthwhile seeing if any stores near you offer a this service.
 
Mirage said:
Whilst SOGA states reasonable time, it could be argued that having to pay only £145 for another 60GB PS3 is well within SOGA. You're not being charged full price but are having a discount to cover the fact that the PS3 should have lasted longer than 2 years.
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This is true... Sony are basically charging you £145 for an out of warranty repair and giving you a replacement console instead. It's far cheaper than a new PS3.
 
It is a bit of a joke when you consider people still have Super Nintendos and Megadrives still working, my original Xbox from 2001 odd still works perfectly fine after being tinkered with inside a lot and having been used daily for 4 years odd.

So what is it? Consoles just running a lot hotter these days being the issue or are they just not designing them well enough?

Same goes for computers, got some old computers that still work perfectly fine, most of my current PC is approaching 3 years of age (has also been overclocked to its limit 90% of the time)

Wonder if they will get back to solid reliability, I mean the Gamecube was rock solid wasn't it? I don't recall hearing many issues with the original Xbox either.
 
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its a mix of new tech and heat issues i belive. These new consoles are a lot more complicated than the old snes. They are also trying to cram all this tech in for a budget which cant help things imo.
 
The Wii has been pretty solid as well. The conclusion seems to be that Nintendo has and does produce rock-solid hardware. Most everyone else designs to more of a budget at the expense of quality.
 
fini said:
The Wii has been pretty solid as well. The conclusion seems to be that Nintendo has and does produce rock-solid hardware. Most everyone else designs to more of a budget at the expense of quality.
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I would rather experience the new tech and benefits it brings at the risk of unreliability rather than the industry be artificially held back like the Wii.
 
Joebob said:
I would rather experience the new tech and benefits it brings at the risk of unreliability rather than the industry be artificially held back like the Wii.
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Yeah same, perhaps they should consider making the consoles somewhat larger to allow for more airflow and larger fans to be put in place.

...if heat is the main issue consoles like the 360 and PS3 have to overcome, who knows.

Edit: Although the main PS3 issue I've read about is the Blu-Ray drives failing (happened twice to me), so I guess it's mainly the 360 dying due to heat warping the board or whatever.
 
JoeBob said:
I would rather experience the new tech and benefits it brings at the risk of unreliability rather than the industry be artificially held back like the Wii.
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My post was not about which console is 'better' than the other or whether it's worth sacrificing graphics for reliability. I was just stating the fact that Nintendo consoles have a low return rate compared to the industry average. Please don't turn this into the tired arguments about whether the 'industry [is being] artificially held back' by the Wii.
 
fini said:
My post was not about which console is 'better' than the other or whether it's worth sacrificing graphics for reliability. I was just stating the fact that Nintendo consoles have a low return rate compared to the industry average. Please don't turn this into the tired arguments about whether the 'industry [is being] artificially held back' by the Wii.
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Yeah the Gamecube was very well done, it was tiny too yet it also worked out as the most reliable console of last gen and unlike the Wii it wasn't a graphical slouch, was certainly better than the PS2 and not far behind the Xbox.

Very well designed machine that thing was.
 
Sony always seem to have problems with their diodes for some reason. My blu-ray one went on my 60. But they replaced the console thankfully.
 
Yea seems like new technology tbh, like the PS2s had DVD laser issues to begin with as well. Im kinda glad in a way theyre pushing new technology forward as the PS3 did a lot for the blu-ray format and even though we are having to put up with teething issues the benefits of affordable 1080p film viewing and 50Gb capacity for games like MGS4 have been quite beneficial.
 
So if my 60gb PS3 dies and I pay 145 pounds will it be replaced with another 60gb PS3? I don't want one of the inferior PS3 that don't have the 4 USBs, Card readers, PS2 backward compatibility and chrome finish. Also would I get a 12 month warranty on the replacement from Sony?
 
I just read a good thread on the AVforums about continous play, it seems that people have been succesful even after they have called Sony about the broken PS3. Its worth ago and its only a £5, it does seem 60GBs take a hile to replace though.
 
my out of date launch 60gb died early feb sony replaced it for free but the one the swapped it for was dead on arrival had to wait 2 weeks for another :( but least it works they tld me they dont have any 60gb back in the workshop said they could swap it for an 80gb no problem. Sign up for the pay to play if you have a 60g people
 
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