they do in the BTCC
Think how long back vaxhall have a history.
Of being trounced by BMW & Ford......
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Of being trounced by BMW & Ford......
i wouldnt say that much... lolBut its defo better than the Mondeo, i mean isnt the top end Mondeo still using the Duratec HE 2litre, so still stuck at 148bhp like the Standard FiestaST??
Not quite mine does quite well with a Duratec 3l v6 in
Shame VX have stopped doing these, was good to have a poke about their cars, have some time on track on the cheap. I wouldnt buy one and its obviously costing them a fair whack of cash but if its for VXR owners only I would have thought it would be free. (not going to cost them anywhere near as much with only vxr owners being allowed to go) Like driver training when you get a high powered car.
they have obviously worked out they have generated enough brand awareness now, so are switching on improving existing customer retention, and focusing on keeping existing customers, rather getting new ones
given the current climate, i think thats understandable. Given that Vauxhall didnt have any "VXR owners only" clubs / days call it what you will (regardless of cost) its no supprise they are now offering one.
But it says it all, that all you guys were planning on attending these VXR track days, but had little to no interest in buying their cars. You just wanted a cheap track day. So their scepticism as to what it did for the brand appears to be founded.
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i wouldnt say that much... lol
Entirely subjective.
No, the top end Mondeo has the 2.5 Turbo from a Focus ST.
No, it was the Astra that JC demonstrated the hands off the wheel torque steer IIRC, the Vectra was shown to understeer terribly (Oddly the exact same car EVO used in their review).i wouldnt say that much... lol
Demon,
it was the vectra that clarkson had no steering control over. VXRS are crap orange peel, because they are still vauxhalls... Bad insides (even the top model V8 makes my cars insides look good), bad steering feel, bad seating position and poor chassis to boot.
The top models are V6's, and if you don't like the interiors, that's fine, they aren't the most stylish, but they are reasonably well built (for that class). As for seating position, that again is your view, and not shared by many, and as for poor chassis, again, it may be not as good as the ST etc, but the reality is from it's performance around a track, it is not exactly 'poor'..
Just think about it, the Astra has 237BHP (12 more then the ST), and it would seem you are inferring it has woeful handling, so how on earth could it possibly be as quick (slightly quicker) around the relatively small TG and EVO tracks?Doesnt the Astra only just beat the FocusST around track even though it has 20 more BHP? FocusST insides are a country mile ahead of the Astra's.
ah so, a 240bhp Astra vs a 200bhp Golf GTI vs a 225bhp FocusST and the Astra wins? Supprise Supprise...
I suspect the answer is, that the Astra may lack some of the feel/finesse of the ST/GTi, but that's more a comparitive observation then something that ultimately defines a cars ability to get from A-B quickly..
Cleary, 12BHP and an identical chassis to the ST would only yield a fractional improvement to the lap time.. read of that what you will..
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VXRS are crap orange peel, because they are still vauxhalls... Bad insides (even the top model V8 makes my cars insides look good), bad steering feel, bad seating position and poor chassis to boot.
Doesnt the Astra only just beat the FocusST around track even though it has 20 more BHP? FocusST insides are a country mile ahead of the Astra's.
ah so, a 240bhp Astra vs a 200bhp Golf GTI vs a 225bhp FocusST and the Astra wins? Supprise Supprise...
Your reasoning is laughable tbh.
By your own admission the 20bhp advantage only just beats the Focus. So it's fair to say without the 20PBHP advantage it would maybe be a draw, yet the Astra is crap and the Focus isnt. Even though the VXR has all the poor features you state it still beats a 'great' focus.
If the VXR is crap then so is the Focus, using your logic. However, the rest of us know that's not true. Sure the Focus is a lot better than the VXR in some ways but saying the VXR is crap is just Ford Fanboy nonsense.
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I went to the day not wanting a VXR, but came away really liking the Corsa.
I will probably buy one at a later date.
Although more than likely never from Vauxhall!
I will probably buy one at a later date.
Although more than likely never from Vauxhall!
They put the Vectra Fleet up for sale a few months back
About 20 07 plate Vectra VXRs all appeared on Network Q at one point. All ex vauxhall cars. Im not sure the VXR trackday will at all be the same format as last year, given that they appear to have sold the majority of the cars off !
About 20 07 plate Vectra VXRs all appeared on Network Q at one point. All ex vauxhall cars. Im not sure the VXR trackday will at all be the same format as last year, given that they appear to have sold the majority of the cars off !
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They might have the Insignia VXR out in time
Nothing wrong with rewarding VXR customers, they obviously have enough interest from owners and no doubt cost cutting is involved with limiting the numbers but atleast they are doing something.
Another thread turned into Vauxhall / VXR slating...what a surprise. Its easy to pledge your allegiance to a more upmarket brand ( abit like Man Utd fans with no connection to Manchester ) and laughing at how poor the 'opposition' is when your brand was already up there to start with.
People bawl on about how poorly they handle with references to Topgear and the like yet choose to ignore the publications from far better sources who state the cars are not half as bad as people make out.
AM I a VXR owner ? Yes. ( for 3 years )
Am I a VXR Fanboy ? No.
I admire Vauxhall for what they are doing, they could have continued producing boring 1.4, 1.6 even boring 2.0's that did nothing special.
No one can deny that the VXR brand hasnt added some excitement to the cheaper end of the market. Not many brands have such an extensive sporty model line-up.
Whats Fords and VW's answer to the VX220 and VXR8 ? They dont have one. Why ? Because they are boring. ( Ford and VW, not the cars )
Vauxhall only have the VX220 because Opel made the Opel speedster which was made at the Lotus plant and the VXR8 is an exact copy of the HSV Clubsport which was designed by Holden special vehicles. These two cars only exist by association with other companies in the same group.
Both of these cars weren't even designed by Vauxhall so your point is invalid. It's not about Vauxhall being "exciting", it's about GM utilising cars from other manufacturers to boost Vauxhalls image.
Both of these cars weren't even designed by Vauxhall so your point is invalid. It's not about Vauxhall being "exciting", it's about GM utilising cars from other manufacturers to boost Vauxhalls image.
So if using cars etc from other suppliers doesn't qualify then I guess the Focus sucks too for using a none Ford engine?
Stop clutching at straws
I'm not clutching at straws?
I'm not saying anyone "sucks" i'm not interested in that, all I am saying is some of those cars only exists because of other manufacturers in the GM group. Much like Ford nicked the 5-cyl turbo from Volvo.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here?!
I'm not saying anyone "sucks" i'm not interested in that, all I am saying is some of those cars only exists because of other manufacturers in the GM group. Much like Ford nicked the 5-cyl turbo from Volvo.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here?!
And.. They're badged as Vauxhall, therefore Vauxhall. BMW brought in a designer to design some of the newer cars because they wanted a change. What's the difference who designs/builds them. That's why I said you're clutching at staws are your point is invalid.
Are Skoda's really Skoda's if they're just rebadged VW's?
But they are not are they?
The Skoda's look different from their VW counterparts, the trim level, equipment and styling are different. They just share platforms and engines, like a lot of manufacturers do. Fiat and Ford did the same with the 500 and KA, it makes sense.
The only difference between Opels and Vauxhalls is... You guessed it, the badge. I can't think of a single model that is exclusive to Vauxhall. I don't even think Vauxhall design cars any more, most if not all models are just right hand drive versions of Opels.
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They might have the Insignia VXR out in time
Nah
It wasnt even ready for the geneva motor show. Dont expect to see the insignia VXR in a motorshow till the frankfurt motorshow in September. Order books possibly openning before christmas with delivery for next year
"Vauxhall" dont design anything. GM Europe does.
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Didn't say they did, I know Vauxhalls are just RHD versions of Opels.
so why make a point that its "not a vauxhall" then.
when you already know there no such thing as vauxhall, just GM Europe and GM Australia
And since GM Europe own both Open and Vauxhall brands, the Vauxhall VX220 is just as much a vauxhall as the opel speedster is an opel. Since neither was designed by opel or vauxhall, it was designed by GM Europe, and sold by both its subsiduaries
Your points are bizarre and meaningless.