Agreed.
Newborn tax?
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Agreed.
They most certainly are entirely different.
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Exactly what my idea proposes
No it doesn't. It proposes reducing the amount other people are paying for children to be brought up.
Its unfortunate we have children brought up in these circumstances. As is the fact that single mothers are demonised for being single when fathers walk out, families are demonised for being on benefits even with genuine reasons like the current waves of redundancies and any woman under 40 accompanied by a child is assumed to be a benefit scrounger with a free council house.
And I haven't advocated eugenics, nor am I about too.
Good.
But its good for the environment to have less people on the planet.
It occurred to me that large chav families are partly the result of free baby delivery.
In other countries, they charge for delivery as it is private, £300 upwards. If we implemented such a tax (deducted from benefits if necessary), it would shift the burden of education/health resources to the people actually using them reducing the tax burden of the single person or childless couple, and indirectly confirming to the population they can afford the child in the first instance.
In turn, it would encourage fewer chav offspring/lower population (always a good thing), less environmental damage in terms of food resources needed, less greenhouse emissions, more green belt, cheaper property etc.
I propose the tax be set at £1500 per newborn as taxing the rich/companies further just squeezes the working man more as the rich/companies just offset this by charging us more
The only time I've felt like I've had anything in return for the obscene amount of tax I pay was when I had my son delivered with an excellent service from the NHS, so no thanks. Tax the chavs by taking away their benefits rather than charging everybody extra please.
Firstly, congrats on the birth of your son
Back to the issue at hand, as you have chosen to raise a child, you are in effect agreeing to feed, cloth, keep the child in good health with a good level of education. I chose not to have a child but I am paying for your child's education and health for some time to come, surely, my tax should be reduced and your tax increased to cover the number of children you choose to have? (note: this is in no way a personal attack)
The government have done the same with universities, if you choose to go there, you pay 3k a year for example.
Of course society is sympathetic to these circumstances, that is why we have benefits, I simply propose a tax from the parent(s), when the child is first born to help fund the child through life as it is unfair to people without children to be taxed for this burden of raising the child as the single mother did have a choice in the matter one way or another.
Although the attractiveness of Swedish women would suggest eugenics works...
.Firstly, congrats on the birth of your son
Back to the issue at hand, as you have chosen to raise a child, you are in effect agreeing to feed, cloth, keep the child in good health with a good level of education. I chose not to have a child but I am paying for your child's education and health for some time to come, surely, my tax should be reduced and your tax increased to cover the number of children you choose to have? (note: this is in no way a personal attack)
The government have done the same with universities, if you choose to go there, you pay 3k a year for example.
Thanks to point one
& Secondly I get your drift but in my case (and many others) you are totally wrong - I pay a disgusting amount of tax. I will privately educate my children, we have private healthcare. I am in one of the worst council tax areas in the country in one of the worst bands etc.
I am one of the members of society that gives and unfortunately does not take. So, NO, it would be totally punitive to tax me further because some people are jaffas.
EDIT: also I am producing and educating (hopefully) productive members of society. The whole of Europe is ageing and with potentially disasterous consequences. The labour government enjoys taxation so much that if this wasn't a totally flawed idea it would have already happened.
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Agreed, people should be forced to be responsible of the outcomes of their under their undercover schenanigans
In summary,
The yays: A pro tax on new borns = fair society as everyone is paying for their responsibility, ethnic minority family sizes for example, will reduce as the cost will be greater to the parents to bring a child into the world, lest I say the word muslim to generate more support for my proposal
The nehs: We want no tax on new borns = unfair society as strangers are paying to raise other people children, it is similar to the skit below:
Taxpayer A says: "Yahoo! I've made a baby! But I need some stationary for my kid's schooling"
*goes to knock a few doors down where taxpayer B lives*
Taxpayer A: "Oi, I need some stationary for my kid, cough up"
Taxpayer B says: "Why, he is your kid? And he lives with you"
Agreed, people should be forced to be responsible of the outcomes of their under their undercover schenanigans
In summary,
The yays: A pro tax on new borns = fair society as everyone is paying for their responsibility, ethnic minority family sizes for example, will reduce as the cost will be greater to the parents to bring a child into the world, lest I say the word muslim to generate more support for my proposal
The nehs: We want no tax on new borns = unfair society as strangers are paying to raise other people children, it is similar to the skit below:
Taxpayer A says: "Yahoo! I've made a baby! But I need some stationary for my kid's schooling"
*goes to knock a few doors down where taxpayer B lives*
Taxpayer A: "Oi, I need some stationary for my kid, cough up"
Taxpayer B says: "Why, he is your kid? And he lives with you"
I seem to recall seeing you were on JSA. I guess I'm paying for that then.
Interesting, by choosing to privately educate your child and providing private healthcare, you would be entitled to a £1500 newborn refund (the fee you paid initially for state education and healthcare), and will get a reduced tax burden for all future tax years bill as you are soley responsible for your child's upbringing and no one elses childs upbrining
Correct, but I have a part-time job of 4 hours a week which I declare (16 working hours a week allowed maximum). Also, I am on contribution based JSA not income based which means I am only touching the pot I have paid into personally over the last 15 years. As soon as I hit income based JSA, I will stop claiming JSA as I would rather starve than pimp off the state or someone elses taxes
Interesting, by choosing to privately educate your child and providing private healthcare, you would be entitled to a £1500 newborn refund (the fee you paid initially for state education and healthcare), and will get a reduced tax burden for all future tax years bill as you are soley responsible for your child's upbringing and no one elses childs upbrining
Thanks for that £1,500 refund, that will really help with the school bills
Let's face it, some of us pay for the rest of us. But aslong as there is benefit to working harder and being smarter than we will keep doing it. Last time labour was in power that became debatable.
The logic of taxing children in a country which needs youngsters is broken. We're not China, give it up.
True, we are not China, but if we are not proactive now, we will be like China in the future and have their draconian rules, then no one will have a choice and that includes your future family decades from now which I am seeking to protect.
Like global warming, prevention is better than cure, reducing population growth and essentially forcing responsibility is something everone should stand up for I am sure you will agree.
My point being we are not over-populated like China and reducing birthrates would be BAD for the economy, reducing income taxes and the overall tax pool much more than this horribly bad and unworkable tax would increase it. Your idea does not work.