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I meant not everyone has the option of plugging their computer into the TV.
Has PC Gaming Died over the past year or so?
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I meant not everyone has the option of plugging their computer into the TV.
Prefer has nothing to-do with facts of being better or worse.
Snowdog your pretty much bang on as to why many prefer gaming on consoles & for the most part they don't know better & are lazy,
which goes for my friends & acquaintances.
One thing they never say is that Console is better but they just prefer it as its easy & they never had a PC that is capable.
When they see a game running on a capable PC that is setup right [mine] it never seizes to amaze them & 2 of them in the last year are now playing on PCs that i have built for them.
I have just built another game capable PC for a friend last week & it was hell just getting him to setup a hotmail account which was starting to give him a headache after only 3 minutes or trying to talk him through it but he is an ace XBOX360 gamer..really good. He has no idea if gaming on the PC is better because he has never done so & thinks that everything must use the mouse & KB until i told him he can plug the 360pad into the PC & he is in his 40's
All i see is a heavy lack of knowledge on PC gaming from most of the people i know. How can they prefer something that they know nothing about or have not tried.
I have guys at work asking me about the same games that i have on the PC that they play on the console & often they say oh we dont have that on the Console, that was cut out or that when they go multi player the gfx are reduced. COD4 is a good example, they presume that happened on the PC as well & that games are all skill matched made.
These people have no idea of up scaling on the console or what AA or ASF is.
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But he wasn't stating facts.
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That is incredibly ignorant.
Ignorant is not knowing.
Based on the people i know & the common lack of knowledge by the general public when it comes to computers, i would say that its not Ignorant but facts.
Maybe your surrounded by computer enthusiasts & don't get to talk about PCs with other people outside your circle that gives you the impression that most people know what they are doing on PCs.
I was on was on Skype yesterday with a friend who was helping another friend who needed to install Adobe Flash to watch some on-line content.
Everyday im asked by people who have computers questions that they should already know.
Also stop taking quotes out of context, as i gave a good example of first hand experience with friends & people i know. They said themselves that they are lazy when it comes to computers, FACT.
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Thank you for explaining the word. I still stand by it. Claiming that most people prefer gaming on consoles because they don't know better & are lazy is just ridiculous. Just because someone doesn't make the same choice as you, it does not mean they don't know better.
I show you & give examples of what people say to me every day that backs up what i have said. you have not given anything that backs up your claims.
But yet im meant to come to the conclusion that most people do know what they are doing on PCs & have experienced PC gaming on a capable PC that can play upto date games at decent levels, when all the evidence first hand with people i know & what is posted on the web with surveys say the contrary to what you say.
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You have given me a few examples. That is hardly enough to say that 'most' don't know better is it? I don't have to give any examples because I haven't made any statements that require evidence. What do you want me to back up?
I don't have to gave you a running transcript of every encounter.
You have in fact made statements that is arguing the opposite to my claims & with out examples to back up what your saying is nothing more than hot air & denial.
You challenge my claims with out evidence., lets hope you never have a day in court or a dispute as you think you don't need evidence or prove anything but just your word.
The fact that the way the world number one OS is set-up backs up what i have said & many here complain about that fact of it being set-up for people who don't know what they are doing & its only getting more that way with vista & W7.
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Can you please quote some statements I have made? As far as I can see I have just disagreed with you because you have insufficiently supported your statements.
If you made a claim that most white people wore red t-shirts and I disagreed, would I have to provide evidence if you hadn't given evidence to support your claim?
No it's not, don't mistake this forum for the general public... Most people don't know what they're talking about at all when they talk about pc's. Just 1 of my best 9 mates ( which are all quite geeky) actually knows a bit about pc's, one is okay but still doesn't know too much, 2 don't know much and behave like it (don't think they know better) and the other 4 are complete ignorant stubborn retards when it comes to pc's, claiming the most ridiculous things...
Stuff like PC has ugly graphics, Rome total war is a bad design because it doesn't run maxed on a new laptop, pirated games are slower/uglier/worse than bought versions, etcetc are claims I have to hear every 2 days. I just shut up and let them be ignorant as I don't care any more. One used to rant when I properly set his games at 16:10 resolutions rather than 1024x768. Another rants I spend hundreds a month on keeping my pc up to date and being able to play all on high. I barely spend 75€ per month on average on my pc, which is very little considering it's my primary hobby.
Another one asked me to tweak his game settings so he can play all right, he shows me his settings and how it plays, I tell him it's running at about 20 fps and want to start tweaking his settings, on that he says don't because this game runs fine. Argument that it doesn't follows and in this case I managed to show him the benchy to prove my point, it appeared his trackmania ran at 17.5 fps on average, and he claimed that was fine and he didn't believe the me when I told him it ran at about 20 fps before
. Or when I tried getting a game that had compatibility problems working he just said to leave it, while I could have clicked 5 times in a web browser and downloaded a fix...The idiots (from my mates anyways) are funnily always the ps3 and xbox360 owners, my mates who have a Wii aren't stubborn at all a like the 360 user ( he's the worst) and the ps3 users ( which are less stubborn but still seem to know think they know better)...
I just avoid pc/console talks with em these days and let them be stupid.
Why am I writing all this? Because as I said, my mates are quite the geeky types, with higher education than the average person, yet they (some of them anyways) still are so ignorant, unexperienced and uninformed about pc's and gaming in general. I'm pretty sure the majority of the population is a far bigger idiot when it comes to these things, and simply don't know better than to rushing to the store and buying an xbox360 and/or ps3 and then talking out of their arse to everyone they know about it. Just don't forget who you're dealing with on these forums, it are mostly uber-geeky types or hardcore electronics and computer enthusiasts who are generally ( even though some might appear complete trolls or idiots) far more informed than the average person with a game console. Just because people on these forums have justified and informed reasons for preferring a game console above a pc for some games or at some times doesn't mean the average person who doesn't know anything about pc's has too...
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I would not make such a statement without providing evidence or examples of real life event experienced by my self because that is an extremely hypothetical scenario.
Where as what we have been talking about is not hypothetical about people lacking knowledge on a given subject & is also being said by others here besides my self who have experienced this first hand day in day out.
Its called common knowledge & its your opinion that it is insufficiently support for my statements as you have even less for yours.
You have given no reasonable evidence/statement/comment to why my claims are not so & have basically just said no it aint so with out saying why it aint so.
Anyone can just keep saying NO as they don't have any real argument.
Disagreeing is making a counter statement/argument.
Or your not backing up your words with any convincing reason.
http://changingminds.org/techniques/assertiveness/disagreeing.htm
You have not even said nothing like that from your experience most people you know & from what you hear know what they are doing on the PC.
Or from your experience most people you know whom own a console & from what you hear know what they are doing when it comes to gaming on the PC.
Very likely because its not so.
Well you know at least one now. XBOX, XBOX360, PS2, PS3 On a 50" Pioneer Kuro PDP-LX5090 plasma.
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I'm amazed at the ignorance of some of the comments in here. Despite having a PC that could produce better visuals than my consoles, I chose to game on consoles.
It's not through being 'stupid and lazy', it's simply because I prefer the convenience of simply firing up a console and kicking back on the sofa infront of my 50" TV.
Yes, I could connect my PC to the TV (I do occasionally), but for the most part the potential 'improvement' is just not worth it.
It's not through being 'stupid and lazy', it's simply because I prefer the convenience of simply firing up a console and kicking back on the sofa infront of my 50" TV.
Yes, I could connect my PC to the TV (I do occasionally), but for the most part the potential 'improvement' is just not worth it.
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I can see from both sides although I personally prefer the PC as I have trouble with controllers on fps games for example.
Consoles have the plus point that you do not need to be intelligent to use one. I'm not saying all that do are stupid by any means, but they are simple to set up and you don't need to worry about specifications of one console compared to another to be able to run the game. Also, consoles are generally much more living room friendly and can be used at gatherings etc, without having to set up a complicated PC network (that is "complicated" if you are the general public). Sometimes the console controller is better for certain game types, such as football games (Pro Evo or Fifa) of course that is subject to opinion.
PCs on the other hand can do so much more rather than games. Most console fanboys will have a PC as well for emailing and web browsing and all that stuff that a console just can't do. Try typing a word document on a console. They just won't be smart enough to pick out the right components when they bought the PC in the first place. For the games arguement, PCs can cope with higher graphics and can be customised more with game mods, graphics cards and numerous different controlling devices. Also the keyboard and mouse are better at some game types such as rts and fps (I know that's opinion, but try putting a noob on both and having them play against each other and the one with the Mouse and keyboard'll probably win, provided they have the intellience to work out the keys
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Generally it's down to personal opinion but for many console owners it's convinience and not much knowledge is needed. The PC side of the camp generally prefer tweaking and therefore like spending the time to make the PC experience great. Unfortunately both camps have arrogance that the other side is wrong.
But yeh, PCs are great consoles are ****
Consoles have the plus point that you do not need to be intelligent to use one. I'm not saying all that do are stupid by any means, but they are simple to set up and you don't need to worry about specifications of one console compared to another to be able to run the game. Also, consoles are generally much more living room friendly and can be used at gatherings etc, without having to set up a complicated PC network (that is "complicated" if you are the general public
). Sometimes the console controller is better for certain game types, such as football games (Pro Evo or Fifa) of course that is subject to opinion.PCs on the other hand can do so much more rather than games. Most console fanboys will have a PC as well for emailing and web browsing and all that stuff that a console just can't do. Try typing a word document on a console. They just won't be smart enough to pick out the right components when they bought the PC in the first place. For the games arguement, PCs can cope with higher graphics and can be customised more with game mods, graphics cards and numerous different controlling devices. Also the keyboard and mouse are better at some game types such as rts and fps (I know that's opinion, but try putting a noob on both and having them play against each other and the one with the Mouse and keyboard'll probably win, provided they have the intellience to work out the keys
).Generally it's down to personal opinion but for many console owners it's convinience and not much knowledge is needed. The PC side of the camp generally prefer tweaking and therefore like spending the time to make the PC experience great. Unfortunately both camps have arrogance that the other side is wrong.
But yeh, PCs are great consoles are ****
I'm the same, i have a 8800GT and it produces better graphics than my PS3, but i only use it for the occasional game of TF2 at present.
Some people really do confuse me, they claim that PC gaming is where 'proper' gaming occurs yet have openly admitted to completely avoiding two platforms with a huge library of fantastic games. Some of the best games i've ever played are on the PS3, to miss out on those just out of being stubborn is just silly tbh.
[EDIT] Oh and, i'm fed up of people claiming that you need to be intelligent to own an run a gaming PC, what a load of trash. I'm the definition of average in terms of intelligence but have built several PCs and played hundreds of games on them over the years, it's easy. All you need to be is educated about PC gaming which tbh could be done in a day if you were so inclined, my sister for example is incredibly intelligent but is completely uninterested in learning what resolution stuff runs at, or what anti aliasing is and so instead owns a console. Just because someone isn't interested in learning a particular topic doesn't make them stupid.
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I had this debate with my brother and his friend the other day. We finally narrowed it down to it "being easier". They just can't be arsed giving it half hour an hour just to get those extra frames/graphics.
I preferred pc gaming when I had my pc but I also enjoy consoles because to be honest all my friends have a console and it is just damned easier to get up and running. None of them can't afford or be arsed with a gaming pc. To say one is completely superior over the other, that's completely opinionated as to what you want from your gaming needs.
I preferred pc gaming when I had my pc but I also enjoy consoles because to be honest all my friends have a console and it is just damned easier to get up and running. None of them can't afford or be arsed with a gaming pc. To say one is completely superior over the other, that's completely opinionated as to what you want from your gaming needs.
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If your referring to my post then make sure you read it properly. I was referring to stupid people as an example. Ignorant may've been a better term but thats beside the point. I also said not all console players were necessarily stupid. I hate it when people don't read a post properly then start preaching about it. If you are refferring to other posts, ignore this.
No one said all console owners are anything of the sort.
The word was many or most & the chances of that applying to console owners of this forums is slim & would be a contradiction seeing as i own consoles myself.