Sony will no longer touch 60gb PS3s.

Joebob said:
@fini - didn't realise you were a fully paid up memeber of the moral police...!!!

It's hardly big time crime is it - I mean if you don't want to do that yourself then fair enough, but if someone else wants to try and get their console fixed via a loophole then how exactly does this effect you?
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It doesn't affect me, but the mods are usually quite quick at removing posts where people have suggested people do something illegal - try creating a thread about warez for example.

It's also punishable with up to 10 years imprisonment, so you can decide whether that's 'big time crime' or not.
 
fini said:
It doesn't affect me, but the mods are usually quite quick at removing posts where people have suggested people do something illegal - try creating a thread about warez for example.

It's also punishable with up to 10 years imprisonment, so you can decide whether that's 'big time crime' or not.
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The T&Cs are here: https://continuousplay.co.uk/TermsAndConditions.aspx

Doesn't seem to mention anything about signing up after your PS3 breaks but I'm hardly an expert.

From what I've read Sony don't seem to ask whether your PS3 broke before you signed up or not and don't make it hard to cancel the policy. If you think about it I bet a fair few less savvy people will take the policy out and keep it for the forseable future, probably earning Sony a fair amount of money so maybe they're not too bothered.
 
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ShakenNstirred said:
well seeing as the guys on about a 2 year old PS3
the retailer has nothing to do with it anymore
so there isnt any point people going on about the retailer.
so my post was clear
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I dont know how JoeBob's kept calm with you - you're completely wrong. Please go and read up on the Sale of Goods Act.

People with similar issues to the OP who may be skimming the thread may read your posts and take them as fact which would be a real shame.
 
fini said:
It's also punishable with up to 10 years imprisonment, so you can decide whether that's 'big time crime' or not.
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Is it really? 10 years imprisonment for taking out extra warranty cover on the PS3 when it's already broken... good lord that's a bit steep. Actually it's not just steep but also complete and utter tripe. As previous people have mentioned, Sony don't state that you cannot take out the extra cover if your system is already faulty so it's a loophole.

When you take out life insurance they ask you about any illnesses etc. If you have lied on your application then this is insurance fraud - I don't see any lies being told to Sony so imo you spout crap!
 
I will be sad if my launch 60GB (now 500GB ;)) fails and I have to get a replacement console with LESS features.

What does this £145 charge do? Buy you a replacement, direct from Sony?
 
EVH said:
What does this £145 charge do? Buy you a replacement, direct from Sony?
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I think it buys you a refurb with a 3 month warranty. Essentially they do the same as what a warranty replacement would do but charge you as it is out of warranty.

So basically the thread title is wrong, they WILL touch 60gigs, they just won't do it for free outside of warranty any more.
 
Sorry to hear about your failure. It's not nice when a PS3 fails. I've experienced it twice and was politely told by Sony after getting my 3rd that they wouldn't replace it again (as if it was my fault Sony can't build consoles!) At least you managed to get your Killzone 2 out of the drive, albeit it throwing your disc out seems a little bit odd!

But the irony of some of the posters in here is hilarious, it's a good job several members of the Xbox360 fan-brigade have a sense of class about them. I don't know of a PS3 owner who hasn't had their console fail yet (talking in the RL sense). If the problem is PSU's it doesn't seem so stupid for MS to have theirs out of the console and easy to change now, does it?

On the topic here, being that my console was also £425 then I think fini is being ridiculous. How is signing up for Sony's own service any more fraud than Sony massively over charging for a console at launch (which everyone knew anyway) that have wide spread problems? I know if mine breaks (again) I'm sure as hell not paying £145 for a replacement!
Given the options of £145 for a refurb PS3 or a brand new Xbox360, it's not a hard choice for a gamer and it's rather ridiculous of Sony to be charging so much! If I were paying £145 for a broken console I wouldn't want a refurbished model anyway, I'd want a new replacement.
 
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Streeteh said:
I think it buys you a refurb with a 3 month warranty. Essentially they do the same as what a warranty replacement would do but charge you as it is out of warranty.

So basically the thread title is wrong, they WILL touch 60gigs, they just won't do it for free outside of warranty any more.
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Yes, but is that refurb a 60GB model?

i.e. 4x USB, card reader etc
 
EVH said:
Yes, but is that refurb a 60GB model?

i.e. 4x USB, card reader etc
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Yes:

They *have* offered to swap the console for another 60gb for £145.
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In the OP. Basically all Sony have changed is the fact that they no longer repair broken 60gigs outside of the warranty which they are well within their rights to do so. To be honest it should be viewed that Sony was actually very generous repairing 60gigs outside of warranty for free previously, sadly their current financial problems have obviously forced them to rethink this strategy. I personally feel that people saying it's unfair for them to not repair outside of the supplied 12 month warranty are being unfair; no other company would. The SOGA could possibly be used but that is between the retailer and the customer, Sony is not involved.

Comparing it to the RROD 3yr warranty isn't fair as at present the rate of failure that the PS3 suffers from is still a fraction of that of the original run of 360s, despite what some peoples' personal experience might indicate. If they all start blowing up in a week then maybe it would become fair to expect Sony to introduce a policy similar to that of a 3yr rrod warranty.
 
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i wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't £145 which i think is much to high for what normally is just the blue ray laser or something popped on the MB
 
NokkonWud said:
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You're not really comparing PS3's failure problems to 3650's are you? I know that's not what you are saying but reading between the lines it seems like what you are implying.

If you are then that is ridiculous - if not then please ignore my bambling!
 
Joebob said:
Is it really? 10 years imprisonment for taking out extra warranty cover on the PS3 when it's already broken... good lord that's a bit steep. Actually it's not just steep but also complete and utter tripe. As previous people have mentioned, Sony don't state that you cannot take out the extra cover if your system is already faulty so it's a loophole.
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As I have previously responded to people saying 'Sony don't say you can't', all people are basing this on are the T&Cs that you have access to on the main site before going through any of the sign-up process. Those T&Cs look to me like heavily abridged versions of the full T&C's (as a very obvious example, there is no termination clause, meaning that you can be in breach (for non-payment) and still claim). I would be very surprised if there are not, either at the final point before paying, or subsequently posted to you, fuller T&C's. Such fuller version will state that you warrant that the insured product is fully functional etc. If not, then some people in Sony's legal department deserve to be sacked. That's my professional opinion, having drafted and reviewed hundreds of similar contracts before.
 
Joebob said:
You're not really comparing PS3's failure problems to 3650's are you? I know that's not what you are saying but reading between the lines it seems like what you are implying.

If you are then that is ridiculous - if not then please ignore my bambling!
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TBF I dont think anyone is stupid enough to compare the two.
 
Joebob said:
You're not really comparing PS3's failure problems to 3650's are you? I know that's not what you are saying but reading between the lines it seems like what you are implying.

If you are then that is ridiculous - if not then please ignore my bambling!
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What I am saying is that a lot of stones were thrown by a certain faction here whilst in glass houses.
 
McManicMan said:
and rightly so, the 360 still has hardware problems 3 years later
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I agree to an extent. However here we are 2 years after the PS3's release, and from the research I've done LOTS of release/early PS3's now seem to be dieing. The fault in almost all cases is the same as mine - the yellow light of death. As far as I can gather (and indeed from my own experience), this is caused by overheating causing solder joints to fail.

The PS3 has an excellent cooling system, that is VERY poorly fitted. The heatsink had probably 10-15% contact with my CPU & GPU, based on the remains the thermal transfer paste. Ultimately, I believe that this is what killed my PS3.

The older PS3s get slated for their noisy fan. The fan speed is based on the core temperature. Since refitting the heatsink with a good covering of decent thermal compound, even after an hour+ under load, the fan still idles, and relatively cool are is exhausted.

The xbox may have had it's manufacturing faults, but at least Microsoft had the balls to admit to poor manufacture and extend the product's warranty. Maybe this isn't quite as big an issue for Sony, but considering it is essentially the same fault as their main competitor's (very expensive), you would have thought a little more care would be taken...
 
Apo, I very much doubt your findings are conclusive on the issue. I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of AV equipment had the same naunce regards HS connection. Hell when its still advisable to reseat HS on £300+ GFX cards to ensure a good connection, I think its a lax attitude across the whole manufacturing industry...

Also when any thermal paste application you really should only be applying over the area where the cores are - not over the whole heatspreader - so its hard to tell if its just a crap job or 'designed' as such...

Wish all manus would pay more attention to it tho, benefits for both the consumer and them...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Apopcalyptic said:
The xbox may have had it's manufacturing faults, but at least Microsoft had the balls to admit to poor manufacture and extend the product's warranty.
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yep i give MS that one, they have the balls to continue to sell a faulty console and offer a 3 yr warrenty on the part that will no doubt fail after a 1yr or 2yr. Well done MS,
 
Dont worry mcmaniac, it'll come back and bite them in the buttock now that their 3yr warranty is beginning to expire. People will not be happy with having to pay to have a RROD error fixed, especially those that have had the error several times in the past.

Microsoft were facing countless potential lawsuits at the time that they admitted the 360 had a fault, there is no guts or generosity in their admittance. They spent a year lying, claiming that people were mistreating their consoles and eventually when the high rate of failure was too well documented for them to feel comfortable they caved and paid the bill. They still haven't admitted that their early models scratched disks either, they had the balls to charge people a tenner for a replacement disk back then.

The thing that puzzles me is, despite all these failures people sometimes commend them for their actions (as seen above) and many people who have experienced the RROD instead of giving up on the product, buy a backup 360. Actually i do understand why people buy a backup, the library of games is something i wouldn't want to lose either, but its kind of ironic, people buying two of a product because it's bound to break at some point.
 
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Streeteh said:
Actually i do understand why people buy a backup, the library of games is something i wouldn't want to lose either, but its kind of ironic, people buying two of a product because it's bound to break at some point.
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Totally agree with anyone that keeps to their respective console when you consider the cost of games library and the waste otherwise...

I have to admit I basically worked out the cost of 2 X360s (unfortunately people with a backup have the right idea it seems) when I was trying to decide what to get - just made more sense to get the PS3 - worked out 'cheaper' with less grief in the long run...

Is a shame - if the X360 just was a bit more robust the market share/lead MS would have would have been amazing. In spite of the issues its still sold well, imagine the quantity sold if it didnt have them :eek:

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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