What's wrong with living to work?

Chimerical · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:21

sr4470 said:
Strange to hear that from someone like you...any particular reason you feel that way?

Having kids just seems like voluntarily signing up to 18-20 years of hard work. Life's bad enough as it is for most people and the addition of children must make things even more difficult.

Once a kid is born it should be nurtured and protected as much as possible but I wouldn't ever get to that stage.

Obviously most people don't think like this otherwise there'd be serious underpopulation problems.

MattandJet said:
I think I'd like to secure a stable (hopefully mega rich, but hey ) financial situation to support myself first and then a family.

Or...

...You could think like a chav and have babies all the time, every 9 months = payday!

See, this is where I disagree. Everyone should be entitled to having children (I'm not saying that you say this, I'm just using your post as an example), regardless of lifestyle, etc. But its the principal of having children itself that I can't understand.

MattandJet · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:22

Chimerical said:
Having kids just seems like voluntarily signing up to 18-20 years of hard work. Life's bad enough as it is for most people and the addition of children must make things even more difficult.

Once a kid is born it should be nurtured and protected as much as possible but I wouldn't ever get to that stage.

Obviously most people don't think like this otherwise there'd be serious underpopulation problems.

See if from a biological POV... by reproducing your fufilling your evolutionary purpose to ensure continuity of the species

Adz · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:25

Chimerical said:
Having kids just seems like voluntarily signing up to 18-20 years of hard work. Life's bad enough as it is for most people and the addition of children must make things even more difficult.

Once a kid is born it should be nurtured and protected as much as possible but I wouldn't ever get to that stage.

Obviously most people don't think like this otherwise there'd be serious underpopulation problems.

Like most things in life, you get out what you put in.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who regrets having kids. I met someone this week who was an extremely successful businessman (much more so than I), drove a £60,000 car, had loads of staff, exotic holidays, university educated, phd, and all he could talk about was how great his kids were (his 6 year old can write HTML

).

MattandJet · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:26

Adz said:
Like most things in life, you get out what you put in.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who regrets having kids. I met someone this week who was an extremely successful businessman (much more so than I), drove a £60,000 car, had loads of staff, exotic holidays, university educated, phd, and all he could talk about was how great his kids were (his 6 year old can write HTML ).

Your a company director at 22... well done lol, what do you do?

Chimerical · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:27

MattandJet said:
See if from a biological POV... by reproducing your fufilling your evolutionary purpose to ensure continuity of the species

But what if I don't want to do that.

Also, I wouldn't be too happy about keeping myself in the gene pool (as it were).

Anyway, I'd need to find a girlfriend first (using chloroform) so I think having children is something so distant as to be irrelevant.

Chimerical · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:29

Adz said:
Like most things in life, you get out what you put in.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who regrets having kids. I met someone this week who was an extremely successful businessman (much more so than I), drove a £60,000 car, had loads of staff, exotic holidays, university educated, phd, and all he could talk about was how great his kids were (his 6 year old can write HTML ).

Oh yeah, I don't think most people regret having children once they're born and I wouldn't expect them to.

But I would think that I would regret having them so I'm not going bother to find out otherwise.

Indy500 · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:30

Chimerical said:
Having kids just seems like voluntarily signing up to 18-20 years of hard work. Life's bad enough as it is for most people and the addition of children must make things even more difficult.

Once a kid is born it should be nurtured and protected as much as possible but I wouldn't ever get to that stage.

Obviously most people don't think like this otherwise there'd be serious underpopulation problems.

But its the principal of having children itself that I can't understand.

I don't always view them as hard work. Especially after the infant stage. As for the rest, well, everyone has their reasons for what they want to do.

Chimerical said:
But what if I don't want to do that.

Also, I wouldn't be too happy about keeping myself in the gene pool (as it were).

Anyway, I'd need to find a girlfriend first (using chloroform) so I think having children is something so distant as to be irrelevant.

Lol. Ah come on now, you're not that bad

Adz · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:31

MattandJet said:
Your a company director at 22... well done lol, what do you do?

Web hosting, dedicated servers, various other managed services. We're not exactly 1&1 but it gives 3 people a very good living and we're growing 5% month on month in the middle of a recession.

In the early days though I'd work a full day (8am to 8pm) then set off for the datacentre (1.5 hours drive), spend 4 hours there, another 1.5 hours back then be up again at 7 to start all over again. All on my own. That's what living to work is like and I can tell you it's not for everyone, even if it does pay off in the end.

Vonhelmet · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:33

Chimerical said:
Although I certainly don't judge anyone having children, I simply view kids as either failed abortions/miscarriages.

That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on the net, and I say that as a ten year surfer that reads encyclopedia dramatica and somethingawful.

Chimerical · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:34

sr4470 said:
I don't always view them as hard work. Especially after the infant stage. As for the rest, well, everyone has their reasons for what they want to do.

"The infant stage", *shudders*. There's nothing worse than a really young child ceaselessly crying. Nothing.

Lol. Ah come on now, you're not that bad

I think confidence issues do play a part, as they would for anyone. But still, having children is a prospect of unending misery to me.

Indy500 · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:34

vonhelmet said:
That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on the net, and I say that as a ten year surfer that reads encyclopedia dramatica and somethingawful.

That bad?

I've seen a lot worse on this very forum.

Ironic Namesake · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:35

I work a lot more than I should because I like making money, the more I work the more I earn (if I work properly that is

)

MattandJet · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:35

Adz said:
Web hosting, dedicated servers, various other managed services. We're not exactly 1&1 but it gives 3 people a very good living and we're growing 5% month on month in the middle of a recession.

In the early days though I'd work a full day (8am to 8pm) then set off for the datacentre (1.5 hours drive), spend 4 hours there, another 1.5 hours back then be up again at 7 to start all over again. All on my own. That's what living to work is like and I can tell you it's not for everyone, even if it does pay off in the end.

Cool, how did you actually 'start' it? I have seen a lot of companies offering Reselling - is that something you did/do? etc... I'm interested because I've just finished setting up an online business (not in IT though) - nothing big or glamorous yet

Chimerical · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:36

vonhelmet said:
That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on the net, and I say that as a ten year surfer that reads encyclopedia dramatica and somethingawful.

I agree fully, its not clever to write such things. But what can I do? Lie? Articulate myself in a more reasonable manner?

Just being honest and its what I honestly think deep down.

dangerstat · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:37

I wasn't looking for this to get personal, keep that aside, for any success in the workplace, the opposite would be argued with those with kids.

But the idea is, is one better than the other? In my view no. Being successful at work is just as important as being successful at home.

Adz · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:37

OoOverclockaoO said:
I work a lot more than I should because I like making money, the more I work the more I earn (if I work properly that is )

I notice you're the same age as me. Can you imagine yourself at the same stage in 10 years time?

Do all the hard work early in life, create something, make your mark and secure your financial future. Then start to live.

Excuse the sanctimonious bull ****, I've may have partaken in a beverage or two this evening

.

Ironic Namesake · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:38

Adz said:
Web hosting, dedicated servers, various other managed services. We're not exactly 1&1 but it gives 3 people a very good living and we're growing 5% month on month in the middle of a recession.

In the early days though I'd work a full day (8am to 8pm) then set off for the datacentre (1.5 hours drive), spend 4 hours there, another 1.5 hours back then be up again at 7 to start all over again. All on my own. That's what living to work is like and I can tell you it's not for everyone, even if it does pay off in the end.

Tsohost by any chance?

Think there may be a fair few e-mails between us

V4NT0M · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:38

Chimerical said:
But its the principal of having children itself that I can't understand.

Without it we would not be alive...

??

Indy500 · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:39

Chimerical said:
"The infant stage", *shudders*. There's nothing worse than a really young child ceaselessly crying. Nothing.

Well, they do it for attention sometimes, but thats psychology 101 for someone like me.

Chimerical said:
I think confidence issues do play a part, as they would for anyone. But still, having children is a prospect of unending misery to me.

I was more referring to your opinion of yourself and needing chloroform to get a girlfriend.

Chimerical · 21 Mar 2009 at 22:40

Skyfall said:
Without it we would not be alive...

??

Yes. But no-one's relying on me personally to keep the human race going.