It's Luton, there be protests.
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Interesting that the case you quote shows a lack of knowledge... Look into it...
Link?
All I'm going off is the initial article that first came out at the time.
We have no right to tell others what they should do in their own country. But we have every right to point out what we believe is unfair or inhuman treatment.
Let's take your example of the US having the death penality:-
1) Yes, it's a mixed bag with opinions. Some people believe it should exist others shouldn't. Personally I don't think it should (most of the time).
2) It's odd that the barbaric example you raised, 'the death penality' is common place in Islam.
3) What is then even more odd, is if you compare the death sentence in the US to say Saudi, in the US they try and do it as painlessly (humanely) as possible, while in Saudi you can get stoned to death (have I used the word medieval before?)
4) Then let us consider the reason for the death sentence? In the US, you would probably need to kill numerous people. In Saudi? Adultery? Being homosexual?
Why are you trying so hard to defend what doesn't deserve to be defended?
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Because you're "pointing things out" that are obvious but you're also using it to fuel a prejudice.
For Adultery you need four witnesses so its practically impossible to prove apparently.
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I'd say anyone could be forgiven for forming a prejudice against a group of people that think stoning women to death is acceptable. Not that you can tell them what to do in their own country but I still think it's moronic. Thankfully it's only a reasonably small group that have this ridiculous agenda of trying to push Sharia law and what I'd consider backward customs in the UK.
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You may want to use a different phrase here.
None, but it doesn't stop you having an opinion on it or thinking it is wrong.
What if they aren't perfectly happy living there but have no choice?
I find the "It isn't your country so why care?" attitude to be quite uncomfortable to be honest. It falls horribly close to the "For evil to triumph all it requires is for good men to do nothing." quote. But hey, if that is the attitude people want to take at least I can use it the next time Palestine or Darfur etc comes up!
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Homosexuality is forbidden by Islamic law, it is a sin only punishable by death.
No rights at all for homosexuals, just punishment by death.
I dispute this. I know that it's the majority view point on what the Koran says, but if you read the relevant passage it seems clear to me that it doesn't.
(and just to clear this up now, because I know the thread will go OT otherwise - I am not a Muslim, I have, however, been reading the Koran on the basis that everyone on here talks about what's in it, but few have actually read it)
You can have an opinion, but people use those opinions to justify interventionist action and that is objectionable.
How could you have no choice? Unless you are locked in a prison cell somewhere you can always leave the country.
I completely agree - everyone should stop intervening in Palestine and Israel (which also means stop chucking huge amounts of cash at them both, which just perpetuates things - but lets not get off topic).But hey, if that is the attitude people want to take at least I can use it the next time Palestine or Darfur etc comes up!
That is a somewhat niave view don't you think? Especially considering that quite of few of these nations aren't big on freedom of movement etc. Even in the UK it isn't exactly straight forward to just leave the country if you don't have the skills or captial.
But going by your logic what is it to us if the US decides to bank roll Israel, not our money, neither of them are our country? Would the world really be a better place if everyone decided "Not my problem mate" if it didn't affect them directly? Should we also not bother with aid to nations in need or worry about fair trade?
Not really, especially when you hear of thousands of people in huge human caravans leaving war-torn countries. The UK has relatively tight border control compared to most countries. Many countries do not actively patrol their borders.
You're right, what the US do is up to them. WW1 and 2 were both because other nations intervened. Think about most conflicts and they'll be a country which doesn't have much directly to do with the situation intervening. So yes I do believe the world would be a better place if people just left others to get on with it rather than imposing their own view of the world on them whether they want it or not. Humanitarian aid is very different than military campaigns, political pressuring/posturing and arming nations.
So if a woman was feeling that Saudi Arabia just isn't for her you think it is relatively easy to say "Right, I'm out of here as soon as I can find a male relative to give me a lift!"?
So taking WW2 as an example, when would you start to get concerned? When a german invasion was due to hit the UK?
Most conflicts tend to start local and expand rather than be due to intervention.
Why? It is still us intervening in countries. So why make the difference?
Or just take the bus to the airport and fly out of the country....wow that was difficult.
I can get concerned whenever I want. When I get concerned has nothing to do with actually intervening.
When we are giving aid it is because the people have asked for it. When we are bombing someone's country they probably don't want us to do that.
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Happened in 2002 iirc. 15 girls died because they were not dressed appropriately to rescued by men.
Ah so its just his opinion then. Doesn't make it law, and his opinion doesn't make anything legal or illegal.
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No, it has always been "so what".
I don't care what they do in their countries, what I do care about is the generalised prejudice that is being directed towards them.
I know what my views are on this so-called issue and it should be pretty clear what I mean.