Now we need ID cards for a trip to the Isle of Wight

Teki187 · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:17

scorza said:
I imagine a hijacked IOW ferry could do quite a lot of damage ramming a warship with a van load of fertilizer at the front.

I imagine the pen pushers in government thinking that.

"Right everyone, children might use plasters and ram them in there eyes"

Crowd: "omg!!!! plasters in the eye, kids, sticky!!!"

"Ok, the way to solve this is make them only usable by a fully trained first aider, anyone else caught using them will be arrested under the terrorism act"

Crowd "WoW! there protecting the children, i can totally see why they did this, terrorists must not be allowed to plaster our childrens eyes!!!"

Crazy legislation passed.

Ben M · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:29

I don't see what the problem is. Also, a link to the source in the OP is customary.

Dogoid · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:33

Kitchster_uk said:
Total nightmare nanny state. Orwell was only 25 years out - 1984 - 2009.

the book was called 1984 because Orwell had written it in 1948, nothing to do with his prophetic vision of the 80's.

i agree with what your saying though, the book nails so many things.

scorza · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:33

Teki187 said:
I imagine the pen pushers in government thinking that.

"Right everyone, children might use plasters and ram them in there eyes"

Crowd: "omg!!!! plasters in the eye, kids, sticky!!!"

"Ok, the way to solve this is make them only usable by a fully trained first aider, anyone else caught using them will be arrested under the terrorism act"

Crowd "WoW! there protecting the children, i can totally see why they did this, terrorists must not be allowed to plaster our childrens eyes!!!"

Crazy legislation passed.

Thing is, if only the pen pushers in government thought to ban taking knives on planes prior to September 11th. No doubt that would be "1984 all over again!".

Von Smallhausen · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:35

trescodrucey said:
We've now needed to produce identification to get on a helicopter from Penzance to the islands

Given that you have to produce ID to fly internally, I don't think that is an unreasonable request.

Azagoth · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:37

Just how this will stop any terrorists with fake IDs is beyond me, it's just smacks of another jackbooted step in the direction of Labour's 'Big Brother' style state.

Dogoid · 29 Mar 2009 at 17:43

it has nothing to do with terrorism, they the government want total control, and they do this by taking our freedoms away from us little by little, because if they did it as one big step , people would notice it and resist it. so they ' boil the frog' so to speak.

this isn't an opinion, this is what's happening, we are less free now than we have ever been before , and its took the technological revolution to make it easier to implement controls.

I get around · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:00

Teki187 said:
Whats next? ID for using the M6 Toll?

Labour = nanny state.

Conservative = racist "i always know best because thats how it used to be i don't like the modern world blah blah blah old boring fart" state.
Lib dems for the win.

Teki187 · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:03

scorza said:
Thing is, if only the pen pushers in government thought to ban taking knives on planes prior to September 11th. No doubt that would be "1984 all over again!".

Depends on what you believe happened on 9/11.

Teki187 · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:03

I get around said:
Conservative = racist "i always know best because thats how it used to be i don't like the modern world blah blah blah old boring fart" state.
Lib dems for the win.

Are they not all cut from the same cloth now?

ElliorR · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:07

Just a quick point that will have been made before about ID cards.

The 7/7 London bombers were all British and would have had any legal ID they would have needed. Unless some comedy terrorists, not unlike those in Life of Brian, turn up with stupidly fake ID, how will compulsory ID cards help prevent terrorism?

I'm pretty sure British nationals who decide to commit terrorist acts will not tick "Are you planning on committing terrorist acts?" on the ID application form.

Teki187 · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:10

ElliorR said:
Just a quick point that will have been made before about ID cards.

The 7/7 London bombers were all British and would have had any legal ID they would have needed. Unless some comedy terrorists, not unlike those in Life of Brian, turn up with stupidly fake ID, how will compulsory ID cards help prevent terrorism?

I'm pretty sure British nationals who decide to commit terrorist acts will not tick "Are you planning on committing terrorist acts?" on the ID application form.

Well your ID date will be contained on a massive database no doubt, and they'll just flag you on there when ever you use it.

rpstewart · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:10

Von Smallhausen said:
Given that you have to produce ID to fly internally, I don't think that is an unreasonable request.

You don't actually need ID to fly internally. The CAA stipulate that there must be positive ID (read photo ID) between the person and any checked in luggage. If your just travelling with hand luggage then it's not required - the last time I travelled BA to Heathrow I didn't show any ID in either direction.

Easyjet, FlyBe etc insist on ID for all but that's their policy (probably to stop folk transferring tickets).

ElliorR · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:14

Teki187 said:
Well your ID date will be contained on a massive database no doubt, and they'll just flag you on there when ever you use it.

Thats not really going to bother a suicide bomber thought is it? And lets be honest, thats the threat now.

Teki187 · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:17

ElliorR said:
Thats not really going to bother a suicide bomber thought is it? And lets be honest, thats the threat now.

Well no, but if you try to gain access to the underground and use the turnstiles, swipe your ID card and it sets of either an alarm or some sort of alarm, then it would bother them.

ElliorR · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:21

Teki187 said:
Well no, but if you try to gain access to the underground and use the turnstiles, swipe your ID card and it sets of either an alarm or some sort of alarm, then it would bother them.

Unless these people are already on a watch list why would an alarm sound if you used your ID at a turnstile? If it happened by default to everyone it'd be pretty pointless.

Teki187 · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:23

ElliorR said:
Unless these people are already on a watch list why would an alarm sound if you used your ID at a turnstile? If it happened by default to everyone it'd be pretty pointless.

Well that would be the point in flagging them on the database. You'd swipe your card through a turnstile and if your flagged for what ever reason a silent alarm could trip allowing the police to escort you away.

Just an example.

nightmare99 · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:48

if you were going to terror a nation would you travel with your real name etc..

Somebody must have an amusing picture to go with this?

Luseac · 29 Mar 2009 at 18:55

I get around said:
Lib dems for the win.

Errr... yeah. Good luck at the election. You're going to need it. Aside from the sandal wearing parts of the home counties and London...