sickening police violence

Fido McNasty said:
He had every right to be there. I'm addressing his own sense of self preservation which SHOULD have suggested he go elsewhere or take another route.
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Why?

Maybe he didn't anticipate riots and the like? maybe he thought he would be ok walking close to those who are supposed to protect us?
 
Its wierd, hes walking home to watch football or something right? But as soon as he gets up after being knocked to the ground he actually turns and walks in a completely different direction (across the camera to the right) compared to walking to the left initially.

Second point im calling BS on, he wasnt "walking through this area" at all, he was milling around next to the bikes, quite clearly he was stood there waiting for police to get to him before moving as slowly as possible towards the protestor line when they got to him. Its no crime to walk slowly but im pretty sure refusing to cooperate with police and preventing them from doing their job has some ramifications.
 
Evangelion said:
I am using common sense. And common sense tells me that there was no justification for this attack.

I appreciate that the concept of "unjustified violence" is completely alien to a Millwall fan, but please try to understand what it means. This is important.
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lol personal digs at poeple now shows your opinions dont have much meat.
 
Fido McNasty said:
He had every right to be there. I'm addressing his own sense of self preservation which SHOULD have suggested he go elsewhere or take another route.
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I think his sense of self preservation was busy reassuring him that even if the crowd ahead of him was violent, the British police behind him wouldn't beat him up for no good reason.

Clearly that assumption was wrong.
 
Millwall.FC said:
lol personal digs at poeple know shows your opinions dont have much meat.
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Well no, it shows that I have a sense of humour. You've completely failed to address my points, and now you're just dodging them.

That's fine, because it establishes that you don't have an argument. I accept your capitulation. Thank you for conceding.
 
I think he was walking a bit too slowly, maybe he had a good reason, maybe he was struggling a bit with his health.

However, the policeman was very heavy handed and the poor bloke didn't deserve that. :(

I see another Conflict song in the pipeline.
 
Evangelion said:
I'm not interested in "If" statements. The fact of the matter is that he was just a harmless bloke walking home from work, and they chose to attack him. He was not obstructing them in any way at all.

It's always been my understanding that the police are not permitted to brutalise members of the public without legitimate cause. Did this change and nobody told me?



But they weren't forming a line on that corner. They were just walking in a straggled line. They didn't even form a police line when they stopped to admire their handiwork.



One guy who was clearly not taking part in the riot? One guy who was walking in the opposite direction? They could easily have stopped and asked the guy about his intentions; they could even have detained him if they'd had genuine concerns. But they didn't bother. Perhaps it didn't enter their tiny little brains.

I can't believe that you're even trying to justify the attack. It's just bizarre. Do you come from a 3rd world nation where this sort of thing is normal, perhaps? :confused:
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Hardly justifying am I? :p

I'm merely giving different view points :)...Going by the end of the video, they all stand in a line at the end of the ballards.

Only reason I said that they may have asked him to move along, is because it had happened numerous times before aparently...Again I wasn't there so I don't know.

Yes, pushing him was over the top, as you said yourself two of three of them could have gone upto him and removed him calmly from the area...However they didn't, one policeman took action.
 
Evangelion said:
Well no, it shows that I have a sense of humour. You've completely failed to address my points, and now you're just dodging them.

That's fine, because it establishes that you don't have an argument. I accept your capitulation. Thank you for conceding.
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Im not conceding any thing I just dont have time for ignorance, you seem to think your opinion is fact and final. [Insert third world joke here]
 
Azagoth said:
Other routes which the police had blocked, which forced him to take the route he did.
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You walk up to the policeman and simply say that you are not a part of this protest. Maybe show them some id with your LOCAL address on it. They let you go. End of story. They are not machines. He allowed himself to be there in the first place. Else how exactly did he get onto the 'route' in the first place? He had to have walked through one of your blockades. It isn't a one way ticket.

Again, the police were out of order, but he didn't NEED to be there. End of my opinion. Sorry if you don't understand it.
 
Whether he asked for it or not, isn't the issue... the way he was dealt with was violent and uncalled for and appears to be completely out of sorts with the situation.

They could have taken him to task without resorting to violence, restrained him if he refused to comply (and as this could have potentially provoked the crowd, confronted him without being threatening). There was plenty of ways to deal with this without escalating it.

To my eyes this was at very least Manslaughter and bordering on 2nd degree murder.
 
Evangelion said:
I think his sense of self preservation was busy reassuring him that even if the crowd ahead of him was violent, the British police behind him wouldn't beat him up for no good reason.

Clearly that assumption was wrong.
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G20 summit, protest crowd. Police with shields, dogs and CS gas.
Common sense here. Self preservation gets you out of there.
 
and lets not forget the police lied initially, yes lied, they said there had been 'no contact', I for one hope that those police complicit in this get what they deserve, my life experience tells me though that this will be fudged and the animals responsible will not be punished as they should.
 
newbiejim said:
and lets not forget the police lied initially, yes lied, they said there had been 'no contact'
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Yes, I do wonder how certain people in this thread will deal with that uncomfortable fact.

Perhaps we'll be told that the police "had to lie because he didn't die fast enough".

Or something equally moronic.
 
Fido McNasty said:
G20 summit, protest crowd. Police with shields, dogs and CS gas.
Common sense here. Self preservation gets you out of there.
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He was walking home! He was getting out of there! He shouldn't have to worry about being attacked by the cops on the way.
 
Evangelion said:
Yes, I do wonder how certain people in this thread will deal with that uncomfortable fact.

Perhaps we'll be told that the police "had to lie because he didn't die fast enough".

Or something equally moronic.
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He was obviously told by the police not to die, he died just to take the wee
 
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