sickening police violence

[Monkey Puzzle]

meh, get over it. if you can comeback with a pointless answer that dosn't further the debate other the judgement of the officer.

You forgot to finish your sentence. Some kind of brain attackkkkhhnnnggnnnnn?

Then you can go to fornicate with yourself, as the adults are having a discusion.

It was part of the discussion - namely that your point (that people opposed to the actions of this police officer all think police are scum/granny attackers or what-have-you) is nonsense. No-one has said anything of the sort.

p.s congrats on the spelling of fornicate. Have a star.

 

[chumpit]

p.s congrats on the spelling of fornicate. Have a star.

Thanks,
i have not claimed all i said some, please ready agian i left a gap it should have been clear...

 

[singist]

This guy cannot be for real ...... I know both dyslexic people and people who have English as their second language and both manage to put real words together into a coherent sentence better than this guy who is supposedly doing an OU course.

 

[chumpit]

This guy cannot be for real ...... I know both dyslexic people and people who have English as their second language and both manage to put real words together into a coherent sentence better than this guy who is supposedly doing an OU course.

welldone for a irrevalnat post that has nothing to do with the subject at ahnd, just abusive and basic trying to sooth that tattered ego.

 

[singist]

welldone for a irrevalnat post that has nothing to do with the subject at ahnd, just abusive and basic trying to sooth that tattered ego.

As the start of my post indicates, I cannot believe that someone is genuinely that poor at constructing a readable sentence. If you are in fact genuine, then I unreservedly apologise.

I stick by what I've said so far though about the incident.

 

[Fuzz]

I wouldn't say its sickening Police violence.

The guy is clearly obstructing the police and just generally being an idiot. If he hadn't been going out of his way to annoy the dog handlers he wouldn't have been tagged. Simple as.

He's trying to inflame what is already a stressful situation. As me and many others have stated in other "Police brutality" threads, our officers have enough to deal with as it is. People going out of their way to turn a routine situation in to a troublesome one are asking for a reaction.

His own fault he got pushed and his death was pretty unfortunate but i cant see much wrong from the police there. He is being moved along and told by the police what to do yet blatantly tries to walk back into the police at one point and isn't "just walking home".

 

[Scania]

Stop trolling.

You're not exactly helping with your trolling.

Just so you know, I've RTM'd your earlier Attenborough post, so I imagine our back and forth will be removed soon enough.

Trolling? fwiw, your post count in this thread is 38 posts where Fido's post count stands currently - in this thread - at 24.

Whats more, you joined in 2005 and have 9,239 posts , Fido joined in 2004 and has currently 722 yet you accuse him of being a Troll!


Perhaps I should be RTMing your troll accusation posts for sheer bloody hypocracy?

Instead,I suggest you follow your own advice.

STFU and GTFO.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Trolling? fwiw, your post count in this thread is 38 posts where Fido's post count stands currently - in this thread - at 24.

Whats more, you joined in 2005 and have 9,239 posts , Fido joined in 2004 and has currently 722 yet you accuse him of being a Troll!


Perhaps I should be RTMing your troll accusation posts for sheer bloody hypocracy?

Instead,I suggest you follow your own advice.

You clearly have no idea what trolling is.

 

[Sankari]

New evidence of police attacks on G20 victim

The Metropolitan Police faced fresh allegations of brutality last night after it emerged that a man who died at the G20 protests may have been attacked by riot police three times.

Ian Tomlinson was walking home from work when he was hit and pushed over by an officer in an apparently unprovoked attack. Minutes later the 47-year-old lay dying on a London street.

Last night, as it was revealed that the police officer concerned had come forward one week after the events, shocking new claims emerged that the violence meted out to Mr Tomlinson was even more severe than first thought.

[...]

The mavity of the situation facing Scotland Yard was reflected in a statement yesterday by its Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson: "My thoughts are with Mr Tomlinson's family at this time. The images that have now been released raise obvious concerns and it is absolutely right and proper that there is a full investigation into this matter, which the Met will fully support."

Last night the IPCC revealed that a number of the officers caught up in the incident had yet to come forward. It is believed that the footage shows City of London Police dog handlers alongside members of the Metropolitan Police Tactical Support Group.

The IPCC also revealed that it had ordered a second post-mortem examination in an effort to determine if there was any external factor behind Mr Tomlinson's fatal heart attack.
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Source.

Oh dear. Looks like the police have a little more explaining to do. I guess they've realised that you can't just keep lying to the public.

 

[newbiejim]

As the start of my post indicates, I cannot believe that someone is genuinely that poor at constructing a readable sentence. If you are in fact genuine, then I unreservedly apologise.

I stick by what I've said so far though about the incident.

I kinda agree with all of the above , its not simply spelling that is out of kilter here, its meaning and context too .

 

[Cosimo]

Today’s cartoon in The Times is very poignant:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/cartoon/

It is indeed a thin blue line.

 

[newbiejim]

Sounds more and more like murder to me, from the same source as few posts before, do those who said this wasnt sickening now perhaps change their mind?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-of-police-attacks-on-g20-victim-1666116.html

The dog handlers [believed to be City of London Police] were just starting to sweep the street and form a police line when Ian Tomlinson arrived. I saw a riot police officer charge him from behind and propel himself forward with his body weight," she said.

"Mr Tomlinson was on the ground and I saw him [the policeman] stand over him with a baton, hitting him twice. He was completely taken by surprise. He didn't know what hit him."

She added that he tried to get to his feet. "His natural instinct was to get up to run. The same riot police officer then grabbed him and ran with him for two strides and threw him forward." She then lost sight of Mr Tomlinson as she was hauled away by police. She was adamant that the filmed attack occurred seconds after the ones she witnessed. "He was not engaging with them [the police]. He was not taunting them. He was not shouting. It was completely unprovoked." Ms Branthwaite has made a statement to the IPCC, which will now pursue the investigation independently

 

[RDM]

Sounds more and more like murder to me, from the same source as few posts before, do those who said this wasnt sickening now perhaps change their mind?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-of-police-attacks-on-g20-victim-1666116.html

Consider the source, do you think that a protestor that has been arrested by the police is going to be completely unbiased? Not to say it didn't happen, but this is hardly a reliable witness. It also doesn't fit with his behaviour on the video shown, unless after being thrown to the floor twice and batoned you think the sensible thing is to meander around in front of the police some more?

 

[NeilF]

Consider the source, do you think that a protestor that has been arrested by the police is going to be completely unbiased? Not to say it didn't happen, but this is hardly a reliable witness. It also doesn't fit with his behaviour on the video shown, unless after being thrown to the floor twice and batoned you think the sensible thing is to meander around in front of the police some more?

There is the possibility:-
a) He was drunk - so not entirely rational
b) Panicked - so not entirely rational
c) Not as mobile as most of folks comment on this forum - so unable to easily get away (quickly)

 

[Vanilla]

Consider the source, do you think that a protestor that has been arrested by the police is going to be completely unbiased? Not to say it didn't happen, but this is hardly a reliable witness. It also doesn't fit with his behaviour on the video shown, unless after being thrown to the floor twice and batoned you think the sensible thing is to meander around in front of the police some more?

What witness? What arrest? As far as I can see the witness in the article is a photographer and no mention is made of her arrest.

 

[newbiejim]

Consider the source, do you think that a protestor that has been arrested by the police is going to be completely unbiased? Not to say it didn't happen, but this is hardly a reliable witness. It also doesn't fit with his behaviour on the video shown, unless after being thrown to the floor twice and batoned you think the sensible thing is to meander around in front of the police some more?

How can anyone one say his behaviour 'doesnt fit', come on that is total tripe, furthermore there were reports of this ilk yesterday, this is these reports 'firming up' if you will. I believe these independent witnesses have more integrity than what we have seen from the police. Incidentally does the police officers not coming forward immediately (and incredibly some still havent) 'fit' with reasonable behaviour, not a bit, and that is FACT not simply conjecture about a defenceless man who has been treated abysmally. Come on guys society needs to do the right thing here.

 

[Sankari]

Today’s cartoon in The Times is very poignant:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/cartoon/

It is indeed a thin blue line.

That's a brilliant cartoon.

 

[RDM]

There is the possibility:-
a) He was drunk - so not entirely rational
b) Panicked - so not entirely rational
c) Not as mobile as most of folks comment on this forum - so unable to easily get away (quickly)

All entirely possible, but without knowing any of the above it just seems a bit odd. Certainly not the sort of thing I would do if I had already been attacked twice before.

What witness? What arrest? As far as I can see the witness in the article is a photographer and no mention is made of her arrest.

The quote from the Independant article that newbiejim posted:

She then lost sight of Mr Tomlinson as she was hauled away by police.

Do you think someone that was hauled away by the police is going to be an unbiased witness.

I am not saying it didn't happen, I am just saying that the information doesn't seem to match the video and doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me.

 

[Vanilla]

Do you think someone that was hauled away by the police is going to be an unbiased witness.

I am not saying it didn't happen, I am just saying that the information doesn't seem to match the video and doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me.

So no arrest.

It does not say they detained her.
It does not say they arrested her.


...and the term 'hauled away' - could this be the police moving her for her own safety and for crowd control reasons as they had been doing all day? Why would she be biased because of this??

I think you're trying to dirty a source with no reasonable justification.

 

[RDM]

How can anyone one say his behaviour 'doesnt fit', come on that is total tripe,

Do me a favour and take your head out of your arse and realise that sometimes, just sometimes, people have different opinions from you and it doesn't always mean they are wrong.

furthermore there were reports of this ilk yesterday, this is these reports 'firming up' if you will.

Unless of course it is the same source, in which case it is just a repitition. We do not have enough information.

I believe these independent witnesses have more integrity than what we have seen from the police.

Great, good on you. I believe differently. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong though.

Incidentally does the police officers not coming forward immediately (and incredibly some still havent) 'fit' with reasonable behaviour, not a bit, and that is FACT not simply conjecture about a defenceless man who has been treated abysmally. Come on guys society needs to do the right thing here.

With the current media witchhunt if I was a police officer involved I would certainly be looking at speaking to the Police Federation or legal advice before coming forward. The government doesn't have a great track record for hanging out public servants to dry.

As to society needing to do the right thing, you are quite correct. But the right thing is not trial by media which is what we are getting once again.