A Mugging On a canal boat. The Physchololololology in the location at the rear of it.

[4T5]

You remind me of Bartley Gorman with some of the stuff you come out with

Hah, I loved reading that book.

I am but a Shadow of that Epic man.

*Chored from Wiki for those that don't know the King of Gypsys*

Born in 1944, the son of Samuel and Katy Gorman, the family moved from their original home in Wales to Bedworth near Coventry, England, in order for the children to attend school. They made their home in Warner's Yard, a travellers' site next to the Queen's Head pub in Newtown Road. His Father was a religious law-abiding man who did not fight, however fighting was in his gypsy heritage, of which he was very proud. His great-grandfather, Boxing Bartley, was an Irish bareknuckle champion in the 19th century, and his grandfather, Bulldog Bartley, was also another unbeaten bareknuckle boxer. He attended the St Francis of Assisi School in Bedworth, followed by the Nicholas Chamberlaine Secondary School.

The red-haired Bartley was only nine years old when he first witnessed the misery that violence brings. Bartley saw his passive and well respected uncle killed before his very eyes by one punch thrown by a rogue showman on Boxing Day 1953. The family were attending the wedding reception of his aunt at the Three Horseshoes pub, Foleshill, Coventry. The tragic event was caused purely because the fairground operator had his drink spilt.

Bartley felt compelled by the weight of his own violent family history to fight and suffer pain as a bareknuckle boxer. It came naturally to him, starting with playground tussles, turning into after-school scraps. Eventually he gained proper training at Bedworth Labour Club, with a string of schoolboy amateur fights, including some for his secondary school. In some ways he felt the natural successor to his fighting ancestors.

After leaving school Bartley continued fighting bareknuckle. The many tales of brutal fights at fairs and race-courses, in car parks, pubs or quarries fill the majority of his biography, King Of The Gypsies. Anywhere travelling men met, argued and brawled, he was there, and he was unbeaten. Prize fights would be organised in a variety of locations, in order to avoid police intervention, including one at the bottom of a mine shaft in Derbyshire. Although fellow travellers gambled thousands of pounds on his fights, Bartley prided himself on boxing for honour.

 

[vincent1989]

i'll hold my hands up and say that there's a 90% chance i wouldn't do anything unless i thought someone's life were in danger. no way would i put my own safety on the line for a possession. having said that i did confront a guy in the street who was beating up his wife/GF, i couldn't believe i was the only one on a crowded street to actually stand up for the poor girl.

 

[Nix]

I have to admit at this point, the starting point for me losing faith in humanity (or community if you'd rather put it that way) was when I was 13/14 and mugged outside a train-station at knife-point (although none of us ever saw the knife). I was with a group of friends and none of us knew what to do, so we just stood there making life hard for them and making a lot of noise. We saw grown blokes (the guys trying to mug us were probably 16-17) walk by and we pleaded with them to help. None of them did anything. Somehow, I don't know how - but they got nothing out of me despite trying to check my pockets, etc.

The police were phoned and were there in a flash, and they were arrested trying to jump on a train. I don't think they were prosecuted either.

I've had friends attacked in the street and I've stepped in to defend them only to suddenly find myself alone facing a group of idiots and my friends whimpering off or telling me to 'leave it'. I layed into the guys and they got the hint.

Another time I was walking down the street (I had a skin condition at the time) and a random drugged up chav came up to me and started going "Eeew" and then pulled out a knife, jabbed it in my face and said "I'll cut ya if you want."

I froze, there was nothing else I could do. So I told him to leave it out and pushed his hand away and gave myself valuable distance before giving it legs sharpish.

If you ever see anyone reaching for a knife the best thing you can do is ****ing hit them square in the nose has hard as you can and run for it.

I'm realistic here: I'm not superman, and in fact I look about as far from being a 'hard-man' as you could imagine, but like others I've been on the receiving end of both bullies and chavs growing up. I'm a grown bloke now, and unlike many I also know how to fight. I'm not going to get myself killed for a stranger that wouldn't do the same for me, but I'm not going to stand there and watch an act of violence which I could stop.

The worst feeling, and I want you all to think about this is for you to cry for help to a bunch of able bodied people, only for them to stare at you blankly or ignore your cries. You want to help society? If it's safe to do so (i.e. not fatal) stick up for those smaller than you.

 

[Burnsy2023]

My view is that everyone has a responsibilty to do their best to stop this sort of behaviour. If your confident in physically intervene then see if you can. If your a small 5'3" woman, phone the police and make lots of noise. You're more likely to encourage more help from other members of the public by making a commotion and also unsettle the attackers if there a few of you all attracting attention.

But to do absolutely nothing IMO is ethically wrong.

 

[NeilF]

Scum... Absolute... The problem was it was a pack of them. And anyone there would know it would take 3-4 people get organised. A single person couldn't achieve much.

I found the reaction of the bus driver at the end alarming... Couldn't seem to care the slightest big that someone have been kicked to hell and just needed some help and reassurance!

 

[NeilF]

I have to admit at this point, the starting point for me losing faith in humanity (or community if you'd rather put it that way) was when I was 13/14 and mugged outside a train-station at knife-point (although none of us ever saw the knife). I was with a group of friends and none of us knew what to do, so we just stood there making life hard for them and making a lot of noise. We saw grown blokes (the guys trying to mug us were probably 16-17) walk by and we pleaded with them to help. None of them did anything. Somehow, I don't know how - but they got nothing out of me despite trying to check my pockets, etc.

There was a case a good fwe years ago of a woman getting raped on a stair case in a hi-rise. She called out for help, and even pleaded to the people passing on the stairs. No one helped! Some people even had to step over her & her assailant to get by... No one helped!

 

[NeilF]

My view is that everyone has a responsibilty to do their best to stop this sort of behaviour. If your confident in physically intervene then see if you can. If your a small 5'3" woman, phone the police and make lots of noise. You're more likely to encourage more help from other members of the public by making a commotion and also unsettle the attackers if there a few of you all attracting attention.

But to do absolutely nothing IMO is ethically wrong.

The problem is, you have morals and common sense. For example, you know kicking someone in the head could kill them, and you wouldn't do it. 'They' would and will... You are outgunned by the fact your have ethics...

If you get involved then you have to go in totally. Going in trying to chat won't work. You have to try and break legs, arms, kick heads - Cos if you get involved, that's what they will have in store for you...

 

[Gilo]

The problem is, you have morals and common sense. For example, you know kicking someone in the head could kill them, and you wouldn't do it. 'They' would and will... You are outgunned by the fact your have ethics...

If you get involved then you have to go in totally. Going in trying to chat won't work. You have to try and break legs, arms, kick heads - Cos if you get involved, that's what they will have in store for you...

I agree but you then get prosecuted.

 

[Burnsy2023]

The problem is, you have morals and common sense. For example, you know kicking someone in the head could kill them, and you wouldn't do it. 'They' would and will... You are outgunned by the fact your have ethics...

True but I want to counter Chimerical's point of just phoning the police and let them deal with it. In the period of a minute (barely enough time to call them) someone could be killed. I believe that you have a responsibility to save that life and that if you do nothing you are complicit in their killing. Now I'm sorry but I'd rather do something then have that on my conscience.

 

[Ben M]

Who keeps changing the title? rofl.

 

[NeilF]

I find it funny when people say OHH look at that, even the girl is trying to help.

Well guys don't usually beat on girls and pensioners, so if your either one, you have more chance of not getting socked in the mouth twice than a regular guy does.

I was at a party once, and trouble started outside. A girl walked up to the guys starting it and tried to sort it out. She got punched in the face! That's when I stepped in... No one else did!

 

[Gilo]

The only girl I see involved on that video is the one who is with them

 

[Solari]

Why didn't that bus driver pull off when the scumbags were outside? He just left the door open and let them jump on and give him more beatings... WTH??

 

[Burnsy2023]

Why didn't that bus driver pull off when the scumbags were outside? He just left the door open and let them jump on and give him more beatings... WTH??

I also thought this

 

[neoboy]

Well I'm guessing French buses have buttons on the outside that open doors too and he was probably trying not to get his arse kicked by cheesing them off and closing the doors.

 

[meghatronic]

Well I'm guessing French buses have buttons on the outside that open doors too and he was probably trying not to get his arse kicked by cheesing them off and closing the doors.

Or waiting for the police maybe?

 

[muon]

Say its 4 on 1 or you are an onlooker and you snap one of their necks. Whats the legal implication? The guy getting beaten could end up with brain dmage or something.

 

[meghatronic]

Say its 4 on 1 or you are an onlooker and you snap one of their necks. Whats the legal implication?

Myth - you'll be sent you jail for 5000 life sentences for hurting a criminal.

Truth - you'll go to court for some charge, and the jury/judge will dismiss you as being in self defence of others. 4v1 is no contest, really.

 

[Gackt]

True but I want to counter Chimerical's point of just phoning the police and let them deal with it. In the period of a minute (barely enough time to call them) someone could be killed. I believe that you have a responsibility to save that life and that if you do nothing you are complicit in their killing. Now I'm sorry but I'd rather do something then have that on my conscience.

This.

 

[likwid]

Some of what is getting posted here now is completely ludicrous.

Despite all of the displayed bravado and machismo nobody has any ethical responsibility to get involved in any violent situation. The only responsibility of a bystander would be to report the crime to the police. As for being implicit in their death I'm aghast at the suggestion.

From my perspective I would evaluate the situation and, if deemed possible, try to deescalate the situation. The suggestion to get involved by fighting, frankly, is stupid.

Anyone with any modicum of 'street smart' knows that making enemies of city gangs is dangerous. Not only are you risking your future safety when walking in public, you are also risking that of those who might accompany you. Friends, family or girlfriend for example. Further, a gang may easily follow you then target your home, your car, your pet. Not smart at all.

Ethically the only responsibility anyone has is to contact the police. If you think otherwise then your ethics form no part of living in a civilised society.

While everyone is entitled to their opinion on this subject I still think this conversation is out of hand and the topic should be closed.