NIST admits freefall speed

fighter plane, jet passenger plane, just slightly different size.

Sure... but to scale its also colliding with a much larger target, plus tbh the kinetic energy probably wasn't of a degree of magnitude larger. Tho admittedly the mass is quite a bit higher, but the structure would offset some of that.
 
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why wouldn't it dislodge it? high speed impact certainly would. The fire protection was also sloppily applied and did not meat requirements.

The building shell would have dissipated a lot of the energy, maybe if the brunt had been taken by the protection, possibly, it would have had to have been criminally shoddy work for that to have happened...
 
Sure... but to scale its also colliding with a much larger target, plus tbh the kinetic energy probably wasn't of a degree of magnitude larger.

solid reinforce concreat wall designed for nuclear power plants, compared to a skyxcrape. yes just as solid :rolleyes: o

and seeing as it's 1/2MVsqr it probably is magnitudes bigger.
 
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The building shell would have dissipated a lot of the energy, maybe if the brunt had been taken by the protection, possibly, it would have had to have been criminally shoddy work for that to have happened...

It dissipated the energy so much, you had an explosion that went all the way through the building..
 
The only thing that is bugging me about all this is some people were seen in the gaps left by the plane impacts
If it was 1000f how come they survived?
 
The only thing that is bugging me about all this is some people were seen in the gaps left by the plane impacts
If it was 1000f how come they survived?

10. Why were people seen in the gaps left by the plane impacts if the heat from the fires behind them was so excessive?

NIST believes that the persons seen were away from any strong heat source and most likely in an area that at the time was a point where the air for combustion was being drawn into the building to support the fires. Note that people were observed only in the openings in WTC 1.

According to the International Standard ISO/TS 13571, people will be in severe pain within seconds if they are near the radiant heat level generated by a large fire. Thus, it is not surprising that none of the photographs show a person standing in those gaps where there also was a sizable fire.

The fire behavior following the aircraft impacts is described in NIST NCSTAR 1-5A. In general, there was little sustained fire near the area where the aircraft hit the towers. Immediately upon impact of the aircraft, large fireballs from the atomized jet fuel consumed all the local oxygen. (This in itself would have made those locations rapidly unlivable.) The fireballs receded quickly and were followed by fires that grew inside the tower where there was a combination of combustible material, air and an ignition source. Little combustible material remained near the aircraft entry gashes since the aircraft "bulldozed" much of it toward the interior of the building. Also, some of the contents fell through the breaks in the floor to the stories below.

Therefore, the people observed in these openings must have survived the aircraft impact and moved—once the fireballs had dissipated—to the openings where the temperatures were cooler and the air was clearer than in the building interior.
 
Thanks Acid i know they can only guess what happend to them
but something is just not right(a gut feeling) its package up nice and neat.
 
Thanks Acid i know they can only guess what happend to them
but something is just not right(a gut feeling) its package up nice and neat.

it's not right because you have never seen something like that before and as such can not understand it. As such have nothing to comapre it against, so you try to use useless comparisons. That is the gut feeling. Nothing more and no proof for anything your feeling.

Same reasons CT think the moon landings are faked as photos in psace do not look like photos on earth.

So you think those planes where cgi? you clearly see the planes crashed and people standing there after, only in wtc1 though.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxrJR26IdY

The supports didn't even take the brunt of the impact, the building shell would have dissipated a lot of it...

And I don't buy the bs about the fire protection being dislodged by the impact... theres no way burning jet fuel did that...

I'm not screaming conspiracy... just saying something ain't right.

you do know that that's a fighter plane crashing into the concrete used to shield a nuclear reactor from direct attack by plane and to protect the rest of the facility from the reactor encase of melt down.
 
If they used super-thermite as recently claimed it is of course a lot quieter than standard demolition explosives.
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except of course you can't cut a vertical beam with termite...

Also why would the us government use termite? when there are much more powerful/hotter things they could have used. thermate for example.
 
If they used super-thermite as recently claimed it is of course a lot quieter than standard demolition explosives.

except it was a retarded paper. termite can not cut through thick vertical beams. There are a few side way cutting thermite, but they have only be shown to work on thin metal. then you have the problem of it not being seen, No structural intergerity was cut away as they always do in a demolition. No hundreds of miles of cables. And most importantly no 100's of tons of molten iron found.
 
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And most importantly no 100's of tons of molten iron found.

Not that I believe it was an inside job (but certainly open to listening/reading all the facts available) - but I've just watched an interview with a fireman at Ground Zero six weeks after the attack. They were still pumping water into chasms where huge quantities of molten metal were still burning away.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXD3bAbZCow

3:20 for the section I'm referring to.
 
Just doing a bit of simple looking around shows it was some sort of botched job.

The fact that news channels were running the same apparent footage, that was the same shot, camera angle and so on, but had a different tone to the image, and there was a building mirrored on one of the videos shows that they've been edited prior to being aired.

Also, the nose of the plane that is shown hitting the tower, goes in, and then comes out the otherside in the same shape as it was when it went in.

Surely that's impossible for a nose made from aluminium.

There are loads of videos about showing weird inconsistencies.

There's a few videos that are from different locations yet they have the same woman screaming in them, it's the same scream, and when she talks it's obviously the same person/voice.

Plus the fact that just the day before they had ran a mock run of what to do if a plane was hi-jacked and flown into the twin towers.

The US has strict rules about planes going off course, which involves fighter jets being distpatched to the rogue aircraft.

There's so many inconsistencies, apparently the planes that were said to have been hi-jacked had the model numbers of planes that had been decomissioned some time before september 2001.

Also, a lot of video footage, and photographs that were supposedly taken by witnesses are crops of a far wider shot, with just a change in tone to make the image look like it's from a different location and camera.

On some of the videos, you can see molten liquid pouring out the window holes as the building is collapsing as well, which would suggest the use of thermite.

Without it being a conspiracy, I really can't see the American government being so bothered about human lives though. The fact that they've invaded a lot of countries many times shows they have no real appreciation for human life, so if they care so little, they can hardly be expected to care for more people, where the only difference is that they live in America.
 
I can't believe that you fall for this rubbish.

The fact that news channels were running the same apparent footage, that was the same shot, camera angle and so on,

What would you expect then? CNN showing the towers with the Sydney Opera House in the background? Fox opting for the Taj Mahal? ABC deciding not to focus on the towers at all?

Seriously, that's not how it works. Lots of networks will probably syndicate the same footage, especially at such short notice. Even if they don't, they're likely to have their cameras in the same place, pointing in the same direction.


There's a few videos that are from different locations yet they have the same woman screaming in them, it's the same scream, and when she talks it's obviously the same person/voice.
Links? In any event, I'd suspect that lots of distressed women sound pretty similar.

Plus the fact that just the day before they had ran a mock run of what to do if a plane was hi-jacked and flown into the twin towers.
Source?

The US has strict rules about planes going off course, which involves fighter jets being distpatched to the rogue aircraft.
Fighter jets were dispatched to intercept the planes. They just didn't get there in time. Not surprising, considering that the authorities had to locate two planes with their transponders turned off in some of the busiest airspace in the world. In any event, I can't see that shooting a plane down over Manhattan is much better than having it crash into the WTC.

Also, a lot of video footage, and photographs that were supposedly taken by witnesses are crops of a far wider shot, with just a change in tone to make the image look like it's from a different location and camera.
I'm not sure how it's supposed to look greatly different if you change angle or get a bit closer? It's a massive building that's on fire, not an intimate performance of Romeo and Juliet.

On some of the videos, you can see molten liquid pouring out the window holes as the building is collapsing as well, which would suggest the use of thermite.
As people have said, thermite isn't going to cut through a concrete beam horizontally. You don't demolish buildings with thermite. It's not explosive. Even if you did, the materials would have to be painstakingly set up without anybody noticing. This would be weeks of conspicuous work, in a highly secure building. If explosives were used, an explosion of that magnitude would have created an incredibly loud noise (140dB+). Nobody heard this noise, and it's not on any of the footage.

Without it being a conspiracy, I really can't see the American government being so bothered about human lives though. The fact that they've invaded a lot of countries many times shows they have no real appreciation for human life, so if they care so little, they can hardly be expected to care for more people, where the only difference is that they live in America.
But none of this twaddle answers a critical question. Why? Why would the US govt. kill 3,000 of its own people? If you think that would happen to justify a war on terror, you're living in cloud-cuckoo-land.
 
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Not that I believe it was an inside job (but certainly open to listening/reading all the facts available) - but I've just watched an interview with a fireman at Ground Zero six weeks after the attack. They were still pumping water into chasms where huge quantities of molten metal were still burning away.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXD3bAbZCow

3:20 for the section I'm referring to.


would that be molten steel/aluminium though?
 
Sure... but to scale its also colliding with a much larger target, plus tbh the kinetic energy probably wasn't of a degree of magnitude larger. Tho admittedly the mass is quite a bit higher, but the structure would offset some of that.

High school physics.

KE = 1/2mv^2

F4 Phantom:
empty weight = 13,757 kg
velocity = 800Kph
kenetic energy = 338,999,994 J

Boeing 767 200ER:
maximum mass = 179,170 kg
velocity = 880Kph
kenetic energy = 5,333,532,560 J
 
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