NIST admits freefall speed

But there is no evidence the government where behind it. The ct theorys do not hold up to scientific research. The only thing hey have is the government might of known in advance. But this is almost impossible to prove either way.
 
Have you guys seen some of the polls conducted? A recent poll in Germany found that around 58% of respondents believe the US Government was behind the attacks. The results from Finland would also shock any conspiracy basher with 37% of respondents thinking the same. An Ipsos poll in Canada in 2006 also found that 22% of people thought "influential Americans" were behind the attacks.

These are pretty massive numbers considering the mainstream media blackout on pretty much anything other than the official version.

There maybe a lot of people that think the American government were behind the September the 11th 2001 attacks but that doesn't necessary mean that was the case. In fact, poll results really aren't a good indication at all since how many of those are average citizens that haven't done any research into the attacks on America and have simply sided with their family and friends?
 
to rroff and deuse, you're both in denial, it's a human condition when something apparently unbelievable occurs. I don't blame you, many years ago I read a moon landings conspiracy website and fell for it. I then spent probably 50 hours doing actual research, I'm kicking myself for being so stupid.

in denial? look at my posts I've tried as much as possible to weigh and balance both sides. I'm open minded not in denial - theres a difference.
 
But there is no evidence the government where behind it. The ct theorys do not hold up to scientific research. The only thing hey have is the government might of known in advance. But this is almost impossible to prove either way.

There are masses of evidence that certain parts of Government wanted the attacks to happen, you just have to be truly open minded and try to make your own mind up without prejudice from the mainstream media or fear that you'll be some conspiracy nutjob. It's not so much the Government as in the whole of the Executive were in on it, just the parts that needed to be to let the day's events happen as planned.

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There maybe a lot of people that think the American government were behind the September the 11th 2001 attacks but that doesn't necessary mean that was the case. In fact, poll results really aren't a good indication at all since how many of those are average citizens that haven't done any research into the attacks on America and have simply sided with their family and friends?

I'd say the opposite is true. From the "average" persons perspective of course the official version is what actually happened, the only truth they know is what they've been told by the media. It's only the people looking into it and making their own minds up that then spread the word and convince others that such a massive numbers of disbelievers is possible.
 
There are masses of evidence that certain parts of Government wanted the attacks to happen, you just have to be truly open minded and try to make your own mind up without prejudice from the mainstream media or fear that you'll be some conspiracy nutjob. It's not so much the Government as in the whole of the Executive were in on it, just the parts that needed to be to let the day's events happen as planned.

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I'm talking about hard physical evidence. There just isn't any.
 
I'm talking about hard physical evidence. There just isn't any.

Dont you think the vids on the first page and with NIST now changing there minds
goes some way to physical evidence?

I mean that NIST guy st st st sutterd like mad when he was ask
about the way they came about there findings
and also the letter to the victims family Nist did not know what did it.
 
Dont you think the vids on the first page and with NIST now changing there minds
goes some way to physical evidence?

I wouldn't call it physical evidence, just that there are worrying inconsistancies, it could be nothing, but dismissing it out of hand is also dangerous.
 
Dont you think the vids on the first page and with NIST now changing there minds
goes some way to physical evidence?

no as they are not changing there minds. the building does not fall at free fall.
the building does not fall from the bottom, ruling out demolition.
the seismic graphs do not show explosives.
 
and also the letter to the victims family Nist did not know what did it.

no they said they do not know 100% as they can't. That is know where near the same as saying htey do not know what happened. Stop reading between the lines that just aren't there. Maybe you should read the report, they pretty much can explain everything on the actual collapse.
 
no as they are not changing there minds. the building does not fall at free fall.
the building does not fall from the bottom, ruling out demolition.
the seismic graphs do not show explosives.

That doesn't really rule out demolition or explosives, just makes it less likely that conventional techniques were used if any where.

If it really was a conspiracy do you really think seismic graphs would show that? :P
 
This is the modern equal to Elvis didnt die he is still working in texas.
Its more to do with the viewers emotional disconnection with events then any evidence to suggest facts are incorrect

The NYC attack was a long time coming, they had tried something very similar previously and failed.
The one part of the building that was left standing afaik was the section that previously suffered the car bomb and was repaired
This was part of a series of attacks against the USA particularly so there is no reason to suggest this one event or whole sequence was incorrectly reported or secretly self inflicted

I would say threads like this are malicious except I do believe people seriously suspect or disbelief events but I would classify it with elvis, alien abductions and rainbows coming out of hose pipes being evidence of government secret water pollution (yes seriously)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#February_26.2C_1993_bombing
 
It rules out conventional explosives that is all

not an expert on the subject and its on a different scale, but I know from my time with 1st para that there are i.e. door breaching charges engineered to make significantly less noise than using conventional explosives.
 
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no they aid they do not knoe 100% as they can't.


Thats what I am saying they dont know.

" 9/11 victim’s family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states,
We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.”

You dont know, I dont know, Nist dont know, BUT keep an open mind
 
It rules out conventional explosives that is all

no,it rules out explosives. if explosives where used below the impact point, the building would have fallen in a very different way, regardless of the explosive properties. It did not and as such, all explosives can be ruled out, below the impact point.
 
Thats what I am saying they dont know.

" 9/11 victim’s family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states,
We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.”

You dont know, I dont know, Nist dont know, BUT keep an open mind

how about you keep an open mind., they can explain how the towers fell and the physics behind it. what is so hard to understand about that.
 
Switch on your brain and ask yourself honestly, were those large planes flying at 550mph simply a cover up for a controlled demolition? If Bush and others orchestrated the whole mess, wouldn't two planes flying into the twin towers killing hundreds be enough of a reason for them to retaliate? Did they need to demolish the buildings or did they simply fall from the structural intergrity failure caused by the planes and mavity taking effect?

Problem is that would require basic intelligence and common sense - as countless threads have already shown in the past these conspiraloons lack both and are generally retarded.
 
How so? from what I've seen the floors disintegrated sequentially in a controlled fashion which would be possible with explosives.
 
I'd say the opposite is true. From the "average" persons perspective of course the official version is what actually happened, the only truth they know is what they've been told by the media. It's only the people looking into it and making their own minds up that then spread the word and convince others that such a massive numbers of disbelievers is possible.

Something such as the September the 11th attacks which are so widely talked about, it only takes a set group to say anything but what actually happened and it's surprising how many people are just happy to go along with it.

There are quite a few conspiracy theories around the September the 11th attacks which seem to completely over shadow anything else. There are also many articles which take some of the conspiracy theories apart piece by piece but these seem to always be left in the dark.

For those that believe in some of these conspiracy theories, have you taken the time out to read the articles that have taking these theories apart piece by piece?
 
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How so? from what I've seen the floors disintegrated sequentially in a controlled fashion which would be possible with explosives.

read the nist report. The building fell from the top down. not the oter way round. which is how demolition works. it did not fall at free fall and there is no seismic events for explosives. On top of that the idea thermite can be used it absolutely retarded.
 
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