Australlia's justice system failure shock

DrDee said:
6 or so months ago, the Australian PM was held aloft world wide as king of responsibility, modern values and anti political correctness when he spoke frankly and in many peoples opinions correctly on immigration and what it should entail. This is in stark contrast to that.
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This was an urban myth. He never said that. Check snopes for further details.
 
the main problem is peoples I don't know, civic pride. Inteligent people are unwilling to do jury duty, either because they work and the paltry offerings they give out for time you miss is so bad that its not worth it, or people are genuinely scared of retribution.

So half the people that end up on juries are criminals themselves, people without anything better to do who actually want to do jury duty and these are the results you get.

What people need to do is have better links to business, jury duty needs to be looked upon as a great thing to do so more people do it. They need to encourage business's to let their employee's go and do it without punishing them for time off, etc, etc, not let them lose money.

Once the jury's are actually made up of lets be honest, a better class of people, then people will get what they deserve on trials.

Its utterly ridiculous to base a system around juries when you can't keep criminals out of the juries.

I don't think you'll see a massive number of white collar crimes go unpunished because a bunch of wall street types end up no a jury, but even if they did I'd prefer those types of crimes to end up with more sympathy, than murdering raping scum to get lenient treatment.

At the end of the day no one "in power" like pm's, judges and etc can be blame for peoples lack of responsibility and a jury determining these people aren't guilty. They are responsible for encouring the right people to get into jury duty, but thats not an easy task.

Whats the answer, ditch jury's, tbh you'll put away more guilty people like these than the few innocent people that get locked up due to lack of a jury, is that better for the majority, yes. Would you personally prefer to end up framed for a murder and locked up with a juryless trial, no, and thats the way people vote on problems like these.

There really is no simply answer, unless of course theres some "veto" power that can allow say the PM or other designated people to step in for these situations and change the verdict or at the very least demand a new trial with a different jury.
 
I generally dont like the vigilanty justice thing , but when the courts scrwe up
it would be welcomed

Example:
Last month some 30 year old dude who raped a teenage girl had both his kneecaps blown off just before going down for it.

Had this happened in my neck of the woods someone would have delt with them for sure.
 
cheets64 said:
And people think the grass is greener on the other side, all those brits who have jumped shipped to Aus, lets face it every country is the same it has its good and bad people.
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melbourne is actually a pretty rough city relative to it's population.....it's always had an edge to it.

part of the problem is they've completely ****** up the immigration policy in australia and now you've got a whole generation of young hatemongers.

spot the aussie? you betcha.
 
MrMoonX said:
yeah they packed all the crims off to australia in the first place, go figure theres a crime problem over there
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There isn't really a 'crime problem' over there at all, actually. I suggest you take some time to educate yourself about what is actually a very awesome country.
 
wombraider said:
I generally dont like the vigilanty justice thing , but when the courts scrwe up
it would be welcomed

Example:
Last month some 30 year old dude who raped a teenage girl had both his kneecaps blown off just before going down for it.

Had this happened in my neck of the woods someone would have delt with them for sure.
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I agree with you, but even with vigilanty justice they still do these things. Its not as if they don't know what is likely to happen as a result of their actions. The truth is they just don't care and if they don't care the only thing you can do is remove them from population. Vigilanty justice just gets in the way of this in to many ways.
 
DrDee said:
Said what? I'm not referring to the speech he is accredited to that went round a while back (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/thisisamerica.asp), but the whole Australian immigration policy he was so adored for by so many both in and out of his country (points system reform etc etc).
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Actually The latest imiggration policy has been set by John Howard IIRC.

Kevin Rudd hasnt really had much to say about it.

And either way Australia has always been tight on immigration
 
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