NIST admits freefall speed

Lunatyc · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:42

Again with another theory, if there was indeed a plan to bring down the wtc, the demolition charges could have been installed at any time from its construction to the 9/11.

If there was such a plan, do you not think it would have been prepared long in advance, giving adequete time to carry out such installations

That is in regards to what he said, as he posted a picture of one tower as it was falling down, i have posted a picture to back up my statement that the towers (at least one) was standing true after impact.

I am not going to argue his point about the tower in China, as i have clearly been proven wrong.

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:43

Lunatyc said:
Again with another theory, if there was indeed a plan to bring down the wtc, the demolition charges could have been installed at any time from its construction to the 9/11.

except there's numerous inspections, repaired and maintenance and no body spots these?

remember when tefal and I were talking about when theorys get experientially more complicated, you've gone past that point.

mcast123 · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:46

Lunatyc said:
Again with another theory, if there was indeed a plan to bring down the wtc, the demolition charges could have been installed at any time from its construction to the 9/11.

If there was such a plan, do you not think it would have been prepared long in advance, giving adequete time to carry out such installations

You're taking the weewee and purposely baiting people in here, funny stuff, imagine if there was someone dumb enough to believe this

Lunatyc · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:46

Your thinking too small Acid, if there was a plan to bring the towers down, people would have been paid off, or at least bribed / threatened.

And i havnt gone past any point, im simply providing a possible answer to your question, clearly ive taken it past the point you are willing to accept, but it is still well within the point of reality

Lunatyc · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:48

to mcast123, im not taking the weewee, nor purposely baiting anyone, im trying to add to the argument / discussion.

i beleive you are baiting by saying things like you just said.

there are people willing to beleive this, and there are also people willing to not blindly beleive the first explanation that comes along.

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:49

Lunatyc said:
Your thinking too small Acid, if there was a plan to bring the towers down, people would have been paid off, or at least bribed / threatened.

And i havnt gone past any point, im simply providing a possible answer to your question, clearly ive taken it past the point you are willing to accept, but it is still well within the point of reality

so the thousands of construction workers, the thousands of wtc employees over the years have all been bribed and none have opened there mouth? I'm not thinking to small you are not thinking big enough.

Nitefly · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:50

Lunatyc said:
Your thinking too small Acid, if there was a plan to bring the towers down, people would have been paid off, or at least bribed / threatened.

I'm sorry but that is pretty desperate argument to say the least.

I think you want to believe the official version was a lie.

paddy · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:50

Demolition charges (explosives in general) have a shelf life of only a few years.

After that they become unstable.

Tefal · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:51

Lunatyc said:
Your thinking too small Acid, if there was a plan to bring the towers down, people would have been paid off, or at least bribed / threatened.

countries haven't been able to keep their nuclear secretes secret from each other. something like what you're explaining would have long since been leaked as the person would become a national hero and very rich after when went to a paper(or more likley a foreign power) with proof.

Lunatyc · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:53

how many wtc employees would have had access to critical structural areas? - probably only a very small few.

desperate argument - maybe, but im not forcing anyone to beleive, im jsut adding an opinion

demolition charges only have a shelf life of a few years - conventional ones yes, and if these where what could have been used, then you have narrowed the timeframe down to a small window of opportunity

Fire Wizard · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:53

Lunatyc, have you read articles such as this one here? If not, then I would highly suggest reading it.

If you have, would you care to share your comments with us please.

Lunatyc · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:54

to Tefal, how many people could have had access to that kind of information, very very few.

if this was planned it is entirely possible it could have been kept secret, the f117 nighthawk was kept secret for 30 odd years before being used in the first gulf war

Edit - to Fire Wizard, that is a webpage, it could have been published by anyone. im not a scientist, nor do i have a vast engineering knowledge, im simply posting because i think people are ready to blindly beleive any old story that comes along simply because its easy to digest.

so my comment to that website is, prove to me that it wasnt writen by some government employees to stop the already rapid growing oppositon to the official WTC story.

and finally, this is just a debate, so before anyone goes insulting me and calling me a complete nut, ive never said i beleive anything im writing here, its jsut a counter opinion

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:55

Lunatyc said:
how many wtc employees would have had access to critical structural areas? - probably only a very small few.

a few? I bet the offices have been renovated numerous times over it's life , as well as other essential maintenance and checks.

Rroff · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:56

Wireless network? eh? you'd use military grade radio equipment or cell phones, maybe even the building internet connection with a PC/laptop hooked up to recieve a command and relay it to the detonators, tho thats a little far fetched and risky that the line would be intact after the impact and until you needed it, but potential for a fallback method.

All other logistics aside theres tons of ways to remote detonate.

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:58

Rroff said:
Wireless network? eh? you'd use military grade radio equipment or cell phones, .

what do you think thy are, they are wirless networks. Please show one example where a complicated sequence with hundreads and probably thousands have been used like that.

Lunatyc · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:58

Acid, if your office was being renovated, would you be sat in there amongst all teh construction working?

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:59

Lunatyc said:
if this was planned it is entirely possible it could have been kept secret, the f117 nighthawk was kept secret for 30 odd years before being used in the first gulf war

do you just compare a highly classified secret plane with a public building? :eek:

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:59

Lunatyc said:
Acid, if your office was being renovated, would you be sat in there amongst all teh construction working?

no, but you are trying to say thousands of workers know and non have opened there mouth.

Rroff · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:59

If you were planning this attack for months then it wouldn't be that hard I'd imagine in a building like that to get hold of a couple of floors on each tower, staggering them a bit to make it less obvious.

Remote/auto flying a plane can be done to a high degree of accuracy, almost within inches so hitting your target floor is simple enough, you don't even need to take over those floors.

The biggest issue (after the logistics of rigging it in the first place) is that the fire doesn't burn down and put your demolition setup out of action... but even that can be planned for.

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 20:01

Rroff said:
If you were planning this attack for months then it wouldn't be that hard I'd imagine in a building like that to get hold of a couple of floors on each tower, staggering them a bit to make it less obvious.

you imagine it wouldn't be hard? come on pull teh other one.

Rroff said:
Remote/auto flying a plane can be done to a high degree of accuracy, almost within inches so hitting your target floor is simple enough, you don't even need to take over those floors.

so when are these planes being totally renovated, in the few hours between flights? when they are being refuelled. Or in the hectic big services which are crammed in-between flights?