Teachers demand 10% pay increase - Thoughts?

Spuderoony said:
T New teachers today are saddled with student debt which has replaced the previous grants system.
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So is everybody else who goes through university. Your point? After all some graduates don't get even close to the starting salary of a teacher and we don't see them demanding stupid payrises in uncertain times, do we?

Probably has something to do with the lack of a overpowered union. NUT is so appropriate and acronym for what they are asking...
 
If they are all being underpaid by 10% in their teaching role, they should have no problem finding alternative employment at their desired salary...
 
Wait till the Government wade in and accuse teachers of being greedy and then award themselves a massive payrise just like they did when the Fire Service was on strike.

We simply wanted what a Government White Paper said we where worth. Years of tiny rises had meant we where behind by 15% which is what we campaigned for but the Government accused of us greed and then awarded themselves a whopping 24% rise. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

I'm noy saying teachers do not deserve their payrise and in this day and age of ever increasing classroom sizes it's important we get more people interested in teaching and retain the ones who are already there. If that means a 10% rise then so be it.
 
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Someone asked if teachers thought the rise was ok.... well maybe not this time of year, but last year the same thing was asked and the same answer form the government.

If not now, then when? The government set a pay for teachers and have not increased it with inflation year after year. People forget this fact and think 10% is just plain ridiculous.

Maybe a offer of 2.3% this year, and 7.7% next year when there may be more money in the government purse.

Also.. "teaching unions" it is not all teaching unions demanding this, nor is it all teachers. The NUT, which is one of the many teaching unions, the others have yet to speak on this years pay rise. Last year, and last years strike, the second largest union - NASUWT did not strike with NUT members.
 
LordSplodge said:
Next comes holiday work. I have a family member who is a teacher as well as my insider knowledge from the time in a school and yes teachers do need to do work outside of term time as well as in the evenings but I'll give you a clue - so do us people who work outside the teaching industry.
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I'm no teacher, yet I'm working right now ;)

Agree with your post totally, always remember an old teacher of mine saying it was a great backup career as it was easy to get into and you were guaranteed a job pretty much.

One thing I don't know is how teachers pay has increased in the past, asy for instance what percentage rise did they get last year, do they even get what amounts to an annual increase?

If this 10% is spread over 3 years then it's not too bad, however still sucks compared to other capped public sector increases.
 
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LordSplodge said:
So is everybody else who goes through university. Your point? After all some graduates don't get even close to the starting salary of a teacher and we don't see them demanding stupid payrises in uncertain times, do we?
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The point, if you actually bothered to read my post properly, is that the government bleats on about 18/19% when, if you factor in the cost of the fees, it's significantly less. I'm not talking about other careers. Forget them for a moment. But it's an undeniable fact that it's less than their claimed figures because of other circumstances offsetting it.

LordSplodge said:
Oh and those who can do, those who cannot teach :p
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Well, with originality like that you're just what the profession needs.

If what someone above said is accurate (13 weeks holiday.... sounds plausible if it's 6 weeks summer, 2 weeks xmas, 2 weeks easter, 3x half term) then that probably doesn't work out much different in terms of hours from a worker doing 40hrs/week with 5 weeks holiday.
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Pretty much. It probably works out in teachers' favour a little above the 5 weeks, if we're honest, especially when you factor in that those who have been doing it more than a year or two can re-use and tweak old materials/tactics/resources instead of starting from scratch. But the gap is nowhere near the size that some of the pitchfork-wielding mouth-foamers (hi, steveo) in this thread claim it is.
 
Some deserve more than others. Having just gone through school myself and knowing people from other schools i can say that at least 80% of the teachers are under performing and about 50% are total useless waste of tax payers money who are just teaching for the easy money and all teh holidays.
 
Thing is I reckon it'd be very hard to get the performance related structure sorted. Do you do it based on the schools performance overall, just that teachers classes?
 
how could anyone even flirt with the idea of giving performance related pay to teachers on something that has barely anything to do with teacher performance - such as school performance?

My mum has worked in crap schools and they always chuck her in with the bad kids, because works well with them - so she'd be getting rubbish wages for working at a school with a catchment area covering poor estates, and because her kids are basically thick and have been let down by the system before, and with shortfalls at home ontop of it....

Yea genius idea, give the teachers that do the job no-one else wants to do the worst wage, the teachers that actually make the biggest difference.
 
Dolph said:
If they are all being underpaid by 10% in their teaching role, they should have no problem finding alternative employment at their desired salary...
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This is the case though, one of my mates goes to a private school and there was a teaching role open, just a normal one, not a head of department or anything fancy and it was a starting salary of £56k. Bearing in mind private school kids aren't going to be the scum chav kids that the state school teachers have to put up with, it does seem like state teachers are getting a rotten deal!
 
cheets64 said:
Throwing money at the problem is not going to help it, Nurses and Soldiers deserve more money first than teachers.
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no way, nurses are ****! Every nurse i have ever seen has been slapdash, rude (probably by accident) and ugly/gay. This i gues is due to hospitals not having enough of them.

Armed forces deffo should be given more though. I would happily have gone into the RAF at the bottom if it got paid a decent wage.
 
lucasade1 said:
Unfortunately though there just isn't the money. How would you fund giving teachers city equivalent salaries? If we were able to afford it, it may prove successful.
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I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that, it's puzzled much smarter people than me. The glib reply would be to cut out some of the bureaucracy but as to how to do that and in what areas is more difficult to say - personally I'd largely drop the league tables, reduce the testing requirements that appear as a corollary to the tables, lower the requirements for paperwork and some of the courses that appear to have sprung up ancilliary to the actual process of teaching. I'm sure there are plenty of areas but without greater knowledge of the system it is difficult to say exactly how I'd go about it.

lucasade1 said:
However, there would have to be a successful way of getting rid of the many awful teachers that there are out there, and there would have to be a very good system in place to ensure that the mediocre teachers were not receiving the same salary as these new expensive teachers that we've just leered in by waving a fat pay packet at them.
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Absolutely, some people simply aren't cut out for teaching and it isn't always because they aren't bright enough - in fact some of the worst teachers/lecturers I've had were the smartest in their subject but because of the ease with which they could do the work they couldn't relate to pupils who were less able than them.
 
To be honest with countries spending trillions of dollars on warfare i think they should just give everyone a payrise and legalise weed so they can relax mon.
 
fair doos, I guess it depends when you're from.
Im northern, bad wages up here, forces get a lot of extra perks that soon add up.
Im going to get a place at home as the mileage between it & my base will mean nearly an extra £5k a year for travelling home, better than the £0 im getting for it now.
We get free gym and what not, the free adventure training. It all adds up definately..
 
IMO. Redo the teaching system, performance based on the teachers efforts (not the pupils) if the teacher has perfoed well for the faculty, give a rise. Set some perfoance categories like attendance, quality of teaching, willingness to take over other. Lasses incase of emergency etc.

If a teacher doesn't want to do work, someone else has to do it. And no Amount of payrise will change that.
 
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