Teachers demand 10% pay increase - Thoughts?

[platypus]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17953438

How did you get on asking for a 30% pay rise?

OMFG the greed in the current climate, won't somebody please think of the Nurses!

Cough. Well, I did ask for my pay rise before the economy totally exploded.

I got less then 30%, and more then 10% .

 

[scorza]

I love the way people focus on the holiday as being second to none but when you talk about the extra hours after the close of school 'that's a known about part of the job'

The extra holiday is offset in part by the extra hours out of school.

Yet again people are focusing on 10% as being greedy. Have you people never been in a union negotiated pay rise? Every year we start off we a huge list of demands in the hope of getting a moderate pay rise and a perk or two. Sometimes to get one of those perks we have to give up something they want back.

Yeah, I love how when we talk about some executive getting a multi-million pound pay off despite utterly failing in his job it's all "don't be so jealous - negotiate yourself a better deal". Yet when the little people do just that it's changed "OMG greedy sods!"

 

[dannyjo22]

Cough. Well, I did ask for my pay rise before the economy totally exploded.

I got less then 30%, and more then 10% .

16th december, your just lucky to have a job dontchaknow

Hahaha see you went in high and ended up getting a reasonable pay rise. The teachers I'm sure will end up doing the same.

 

[Dolph]

Yeah, I love how when we talk about some executive getting a multi-million pound pay off despite utterly failing in his job it's all "don't be so jealous - negotiate yourself a better deal". Yet when the little people do just that it's changed "OMG greedy sods!"

unions bitching, moaning and threatening strike action is not individuals negotiating a better deal, hence why it's viewed differently by people. Pay awards should be made on individual percieved value, not militant threats

 

[platypus]

16th december, your just lucky to have a job dontchaknow

Hahaha see you went in high and ended up getting a reasonable pay rise. The teachers I'm sure will end up doing the same.

Aye, but I get cack holiday time. I would gladly take no pay rise at the end of year for more holiday.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I love the way people focus on the holiday as being second to none but when you talk about the extra hours after the close of school 'that's a known about part of the job'

The extra holiday is offset in part by the extra hours out of school.

Yet again people are focusing on 10% as being greedy. Have you people never been in a union negotiated pay rise? Every year we start off we a huge list of demands in the hope of getting a moderate pay rise and a perk or two. Sometimes to get one of those perks we have to give up something they want back.

I work for the police force and get or deal with .....

. Rest days cancelled at short notice.

. Told you are working at another station or area command to cover shortages, usually without much notice.

. Taking work home with you but in the mental sense. An example being when a paramedic and I worked on an injured biker and he died on the way to hospital. He was gripping my hand at the time. I broke down in tears when I was told he was confirmed dead. That is one of many incidents I could tell you which has an effect on you.

. Deal with drugs, violence and the dregs of society on a daily basis.

I could go on.

I knew what I was letting myself in for, I knew I would be paid a decent wage for doing it and I don't expect medals for it. I wouldn't have the audacity to even consider a 10% pay rise, let alone there being an economic downturn at the present time.

 

[Nitefly]

I get the impression that only people who have lived with teachers can really appreciate the nature of their job.

My mother was a teacher (now a supply teacher). She would often be home by 5pm, but would work typically until 7 marking work, as well as planning lessons most Sundays for a large chunk of the day.

True, the holidays are relatively vast (13 weeks IIRC), but I couldn't say they were overpaid for their work. Asking for 10% now is undoubtedly greedy.

 

[stoofa]

Being a teacher is no walk in the park.
You've got a chance of being attacked in your classroom.
Most of you must have seen the TV programs showing the "youth of today" or "gob****es" as they are also known.

Somebody has to teach these people - because there are only so many jobs in the "Do you want fries with that?" sector.

My wife used to be a teacher - all this talk about holidays.
Might sound great, but having to always work late, always having marking and lesson plans to do, losing weekends to do all this as well as evenings - I think the holidays just about make up for all of that.

 

[Lakeland]

I think that we should hear them out. See why they deserve a pay rise. Just like with any job, some people work harder than their standard hours and others dont. They get a massive amount of holidays and they dont have to work as long hours as most people do. They earn more already and there are a lot of rubbish teachers out there.

Im not seeing where their justification is coming from. I know a hell of a lot of mates just coming out of uni now who didnt know what they wanted to do so they decided to teach.Why?

Because the pay is good, the holidays great and the work isnt very hard. I mean come on, GCSEs have become a joke these days. Any chimp could teach GCSE. The only hard part would be the workload at times but that is just work these days. I get 19k a year as a programmer and software support and I work 8.5 hours a day + and dont get time to take a lunch break. £33,000 a year would be a lovely salary on its own. Add another 9 weeks holiday to my 4 and you will have a rather nice job. Oh wait, thats a teacher.

you haven't got a clue lol

 

[antijoke]

I am really struggling to see why teachers are getting such a hard time.

 

[platypus]

My wife used to be a teacher - all this talk about holidays.
Might sound great, but having to always work late, always having marking and lesson plans to do, losing weekends to do all this as well as evenings - I think the holidays just about make up for all of that.

Yeah. Because people in other sectors don't have to work outside contracted hours at all. Nope, come 5pm I'm out that door and thats it.

Give me a break.

 

[Buffman]

I am really struggling to see why teachers are getting such a hard time.

The main reason I think is that a lot of people are left without a job in a recession, nevermind a 10% pay rise. I think most teachers do a good job though and deserve a pay rise (obviously it'll be negotiated down from 10% though).

 

[platypus]

The main reason I think is that a lot of people are left without a job in a recession, nevermind a 10% pay rise. I think most teachers do a good job though and deserve a pay rise (obviously it'll be negotiated down from 10% though).

This isn't strictly related to the topic, although its certainly connected.

Do most teachers do a good job? Sure government targets have contributed a lot to falling standards, but the state of our current education system is appalling. Granted teachers cannot be held responsible for the intellect of their pupils on an individual level, but doesn't some level of responsibility lie with them?

I know quite a few teachers. Some love their job, love teaching kids, and put an awful lot into it. Others do the bare minimum required by the legislation and constraints of their job to get by because there is so much **** connected with being a teacher. Yet pay is consistent across the scale bands. Is that fair?

 

[Raumarik]

Guys - calm down. I think the issue people have with the unions asking for 10% isn't really about all teachers. Most people have to justify any pay rise (I know I have to), each year on an individual basis. Working extra hours etc isn't something that only teachers do, I think everyone has had holidays cancelled and found themselves working several hours later than normal quite regularly.

I'd love to reward the great teachers ( plenty around ). The only issue I have is the deadwood in schools, teachers themselves know who they are, getting such a large pay rise for essentially turning up. Give teachers a pay rise by all means, but lets have it justified on a 1 on 1 basis. This is possible in large organisations, the NHS do it after all as do most councils. Evidence to justify the pay increment has to be given before it can be awarded by HR.

No doubt it's mostly a rubber stamp exercise, but it will mean some people having to work harder to achieve it which can only be a good thing for their collegues and pupils.

 

[Lakeland]

I believe that teachers can't move up the pay scale if they don't perform in the classroom, don't quote me on that though

 

[muon]

I am really struggling to see why teachers are getting such a hard time.

Because a 10% wage rise ina recession will result in more unemployment. Schools will hire less teachers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_curve

An above inflation wage demand increase with no productivity increase causes the curve to shift right.

 

[Dolph]

Because a 10% wage rise ina recession will result in more unemployment. Schools will hire less teachers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_curve

An above inflation wage demand increase with no productivity increase causes the curve to shift right.

That is much less relevant when the employment is funded by force rather than choice, as is the case with state paid workers...

Instead, it will result in an increase in costs for everyone else, or an increase in borrowing to fund it.

 

[philjohn]

My wife regularly works 60-70 hours per week, and even now in the Easter Holiday is sitting down planning lessons.

She's getting to the point where the job is causing too much stress for her and she is looking at other careers - and I suspect a decent majority of the "good" teachers are thinking the same thing. What will then happen is that the schools will be left with the losers who got into teaching for the holidays and put in zero real effort. A 10% pay increase (seeing as they in effect had a pay cut with below inflation rises earlier this decade) may help.

Of course the morons who write for the Daily Fail are sensationalising this to whip up yet more anti-teacher sentiment (you'd think they were all abused as children by teachers they way they go on) ignoring the fact that this 10% is simply the opening salvo in the next set of pay negotiations and is a high-ball figure that will be worked down to something that is mutually acceptable to all parties.

 

[muon]

That is much less relevant when the employment is funded by force rather than choice, as is the case with state paid workers...

Instead, it will result in an increase in costs for everyone else, or an increase in borrowing to fund it.

I think there is some scope for substitution, especially in primary schools. Also, increased taxes is not necessarily a result. There could be simply less public provision.

 

[EasyG]

The teachers in the college i work at deffintly do not deserve it, there all morons, and they don't help their students at all. Infact they give false infomation constantly much to the annoyance of myself and the students i talk to.