Burning fat but keeping muscle HELP!

Be wary of too much caffeine though as it can decrease insulin resistivity which is not what you want.

Vegeta, I usually have 2 big portions of green veggies a day plus some of form of veggies too. Why can't you have it with Tuna? Sweetcorn works well with tuna (if it's tinned tuna), but with a tuna steak some steam broccoli and some peas works nicely, or spinach, etc... lots of possibities.
 
So the Omega 3 tabs help to reduce fat stores and help fat burning? Are these better then the fat burner/blockers you can get. I tried some a while back but didnt see any real results. they where only herbal so i thought that they couldnt hurt.
 
I have the same problem you have in that its the only place that I have a fair amount of fat left, everything else is not to bad at all.

I have recently (3 weeks ago) started to eat a Chicken/Prawn/Turkey salad for lunch everyday instead of the usual meals which where not that bad but carb heavy i.e bread & pasta. It does have a fairly high fat dressing but the total cals comes to about 600 inc yoghurt. I tend to have a small portion of fruit at about 11am, aforementioned lunch at 1.30pm, Apple & Banana at about 5pm and Dinner at about 9pm which could be anything as I don't cook so don't really have a say! I think its the late night carb helpings which don't do me any favours. I reckon I take in about 2,000 cals in before any exercise which I think might be abit on the low side considering the amount of exercise I do.

I hit the gym 3 times a week and do about 40 minutes cardio each time plus I do Muay Thai twice a week so I think me having fat left around my hips is purely down to diet rather than not enough exercise.

I have done a tonne of googling at insuline levels/sensitivity keeps popping up so I figured a good place to start would be to cut down on sugars, pasta & bread. I appear to be about 2kg lighter than when I started (now about 92kg @ 5'11)but that might be the fact I added another Muay Thai session in rather than the cutting of carbs. Reading around suggests a safe loss of 2lbs a week so I think thats pretty much in line with my losses.

I will see how this fares over the next 8 weeks, if I don't feel I have made enough visual progress I will add another Muay Thai session in and maybe up the calories ( I fear they might be too low) while reducing my sugars.
 
Just thinking left of field here, maybe someone can shoot this down in biological terms as to why it wouldnt work:

Heres the idea

Common convention is: On a cut everyone cuts the calories.

OK, counter intuitively why dont you jack the calories UP, so that the body believes that food and nutrients are plentiful, but at the same time do enough steady state cardio in the 'fat burning zone'. If the science (used very loosely here) is correct that at certain heart rates the source of energy for cardio is primarily FAT, then surely your body could be in a state of balance where fat is being used to fuel cardio activity yet the body is receiving enough nutrients and food to maintain or perhaps even GROW muscle mass.

Thoughts?
 
Just thinking left of field here, maybe someone can shoot this down in biological terms as to why it wouldnt work:

Heres the idea

Common convention is: On a cut everyone cuts the calories.

OK, counter intuitively why dont you jack the calories UP, so that the body believes that food and nutrients are plentiful, but at the same time do enough steady state cardio in the 'fat burning zone'. If the science (used very loosely here) is correct that at certain heart rates the source of energy for cardio is primarily FAT, then surely your body could be in a state of balance where fat is being used to fuel cardio activity yet the body is receiving enough nutrients and food to maintain or perhaps even GROW muscle mass.

Thoughts?

Beta oxidation, the use of fat for fuel with oxygen, isn't really the best method for fat loss. If your diet is good and your training appropriate, then an elevated metabolism combined with carefully controlled diet means that during rest, especially sleep when you are glycogen deprived, the body uses fat as its primary energy source.

During exercise, proteins are more easily derived as from the muscles, than fat from adipose tissue. This means you'll be depleting calories from muscles. Exercise that elevates, and maintains elevation of the metabolism for prolonged periods, like HIIT, plyometrics, circuits and demanding weight training, are more effective for fat loss.

If you eat a lot of food, it will be converted into fat before your body is able to use it. Excess calories = fat stored.

That's not to say I don't tote cardio. A good level of cardiovascular fitness reaps far more benefits that being skinny.

I think :p

Ant :cool:
 
read it somewhere recently, very simply: do more cardio.

there are very few non pro's or people in the modelling industry that will burn so much muscle that it would be a problem.
losing 10lb of fat and 2lb of muscle isnt a bad thing, i would be happy with that :p
 
I see the big guys all the time around the gym and NEVER see them on the running or cross trainers. Is this becasue there bodies are just so big they muscles just burn everything when its eaten or do they just have a very strict diet?
 
I see the big guys all the time around the gym and NEVER see them on the running or cross trainers. Is this becasue there bodies are just so big they muscles just burn everything when its eaten or do they just have a very strict diet?

Could be that they (like a lot of people) hate doing cardio in the gym. I prefer to get on my bike and ride around town.
 
read it somewhere recently, very simply: do more cardio.

there are very few non pro's or people in the modelling industry that will burn so much muscle that it would be a problem.
losing 10lb of fat and 2lb of muscle isnt a bad thing, i would be happy with that :p

Probably T-nation mate, I posted the link higher up. Its that simple to be honest. Everyone wants to know the secret, the vegetable or the pill, and what to do step by step.
There is no secret, no mystery, if you have too much body fat and you eat clean/ train hard then do some cardio properly;)
 
I see the big guys all the time around the gym and NEVER see them on the running or cross trainers. Is this becasue there bodies are just so big they muscles just burn everything when its eaten or do they just have a very strict diet?

I hate doing cardio at the gym. Why do it there when I can play sports or *ugh* run *spit* in free air? I play squash, and basketball once/twice a week at least, and go for a plod once a week as well.
 
I see the big guys all the time around the gym and NEVER see them on the running or cross trainers. Is this becasue there bodies are just so big they muscles just burn everything when its eaten or do they just have a very strict diet?

there are a few reasons:

- they are burning so many kcals due to mass
- they could be doing cardio while playing sports or something
- they could be doing cardio in the gym at a time that you arent there, first thing in the morning or late at night
- they might have something at home to do cardio
- they might be on gear


something for you to think about :p
 
Probably T-nation mate, I posted the link higher up. Its that simple to be honest. Everyone wants to know the secret, the vegetable or the pill, and what to do step by step.
There is no secret, no mystery, if you have too much body fat and you eat clean/ train hard then do some cardio properly;)

So you did :D
yep, was that link on t-nation :]
 
there are a few reasons:

- they might be on gear
- they might be on gear
- they might be on gear
- they might be on gear
- they might be on gear

something for you to think about :p

Yep my thoughts too :D

I hate standing next them when im in the weight room, makes me feel like i havent made any progress :( I sware that one of there shoulders where bigger then my head!!!!
 
Caaaarrdio! My hard cardio routine (2km Row, 20mins bike, [email protected]/h jog) then 1km swimming is literally ripping fat off me at about 2lbs a week.

yet without any cardio whatsoever I'm losing around 4lbs a week, with ease.

Weight loss = what you eat,

fitness and endurance, a stronger heart etc = cardio

theres no problem doing both at the same time, but realise which is for which and that it can be harder to lose weight doing cardio. doing more physical work eats up carbs, some muscle, fat, you'll be more hungry as your body wants to replenish what its missing. Where as controlling hunger on a keto diet without doing loads of cardio is ridiculously easy and the weight falls off very fast and easy.

Generally people doing lots of cardio won't be on keto as you'll mostly be too tired, so you end up eating carbs, which spikes your insulin telling your body not to burn fat but to store it. your body isn't eating fat all day, so its starving, so you're always hungry, you're eating less calories and very very slowly burning fat.

the crap we've had pushed down our throats for literally decades, low fat, high carb, 30 mins cardio a few times a week, its ALL wrong, completely, you sure can lose weight that way, theres quite literally an infinate combinations of things you can do to lose weight, however a high fat low card diet is the best way to lose weight, and cardio will never do that much for you tbh.

Weights do more for you, building muscle is perfectly possible as you have a huge amount of spare energy to use to build muscle in the form of stored fat, which also increases your resting calorie need.

Theres also another reason for big guys not doing cardio, some of them, infact far far too many simply want to be huge, but have no fitness, don't want to be bigger to be better at a sport, they just want to fill out a gay t-shirt and parade around a club looking like a douche bag.

Personally I don't get the being "huge" thing, theres very few sports where being genuinely huge helps you. Football, badminton, squash, swimming, etc, etc, the majority of sports you want to be lean, a good build but not massive as it limits your movement, costs to much energy to actually run around with so much weight on you, etc, etc. I'd much prefer a footballers build to, any one of the guys who can lift 400kg in a deadlift, because thats all those guys can do.
 
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It just depends on what you want DM. I'm relatively stocky but can still run a round a rugby field for 80 mins and play squash for an hours without any problems at all. I'd choose a big build over a footballer's build any day, but that's completely subjective. :)
 
I don't want to go on heavy diets or something like keto though mate, I'd rather stick eating what I eat now. Sure it's probably not the best for me but I enjoy it, and if I can lose weight while eating what I like, it's all good :)

Plus my fitness before now was awful, and it's just making me feel a lot better in life, yanno.
 
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