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why do people say 1 mid/high end card is enough for 1920 x 1200?

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I have read about people saying so many times that they only need a 4850 or 4870 for a 22" or even 24" monitor.. I don't understand why as you only need to see real game benchmarks to see that having an x2 at these resolutions is needed, unless of course you like playing your games that can slow down a lot.

Another thing that bothers me is the fact that usually good midrange cards are just about as good as the high end card of the same generation, it makes me wonder why pay extra for the best card when it only has a bit of advantage instead of a much bigger advantage? yeah, you tell me. or is it simply greed?

I just want to see peoples opinions on this.
 
Well, I have a 4850 at 1920x1200 and it plays games pretty well. Far Cry 2 runs at very high and Crysis at high. Assassins Creed/GRAW 2/COD 4 run with all the bells and whistles, all old games run well.

While I may not run FC2, Crysis and AC with AA, the card still does an admirable job, and would please most people who simply want to play games and aren't too worriede about maxing everything.

I have considered going to a GTX 260 or 4890, but it won't make much diff to my playable settings, except to maybe add some AA.
 
Well I just downgraded from a 4870 1GB to a 4850 1GB which is now clocked at 760/1120 and I can't tell any difference in performance. Once it's under water I will be vmodding it for 800-850mhz and it will be plenty.

I don't get slowdowns. I game at 2048x1152 BTW, and find 1 "midrange" card to be plenty.
 
We say its enough as any game is playable at hi res and high settings. Benchmarks are often designed to show best and worst scenario. If Im running 40fps+ 99% of the time, nothing is unplayable.
 
Just to add further to my earlier response....

Sure, I would love to be able to max out all games, to be honest the only game that would require more than one card for maxing would be Crysis, and I can't justify spending over £300 just for that. Even then, I am not sure something like 2 x 4870 would be enough for Very high settings and 4xAA at 1920x1200 while never letting FPs drop below around mid-30's.

Perhaps one day I will just fork out for something expensive, but it really would be silly doing it for a single game.
 
I have read about people saying so many times that they only need a 4850 or 4870 for a 22" or even 24" monitor.. I don't understand why as you only need to see real game benchmarks to see that having an x2 at these resolutions is needed, unless of course you like playing your games that can slow down a lot.

Another thing that bothers me is the fact that usually good midrange cards are just about as good as the high end card of the same generation, it makes me wonder why pay extra for the best card when it only has a bit of advantage instead of a much bigger advantage? yeah, you tell me. or is it simply greed?

I just want to see peoples opinions on this.

HD4850 or 8800GTX are enough for most people, both can handle most of the games available at 1920*1200 without to much hassle, granted in some titles you need to lose the AA or drop settings but there the exception.

To claim an X2 is needed for 1920*1200 to be blunt is a load of crap and shows you don't have much understanding of what is really required to the play currrent generation of games or the settings people really use.
 
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I mean honestly, there are only a couple games that require more than a 4850 1GB at high resolutions with 2-4xAA to get over 60fps average.

Games like Crysis and GTA IV come to mind, and I would not purchase a card solely with those games in mind.
 
utter crud from the OP tbh. I game at 1920x1080 on a 192 core 260 and 95% of stuff runs at 60fps constant even with AA. Only things that don't are Crysis (not aware of a card that does) and occasional drops into the 40's on a couple of titles which is no biggy. I see no point whatsoever spending 2 or 3 times the cost of the 260 on getting more than 60 when that's all my monitor can handle (properly) anyway.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
why do people say 1 mid/high end card is enough for 1920 x 1200?

Because it is, well for me any way along with the 9 other people who have already posted. :)

My HD4850 is fine running games that I have been playing at that res.
 
I agree to some extent, I mean people often suggest that a GTX280 or similar is overkill for 1680x1050, but if you look at the benchmarks for certain games, cards like that hold an advantage over cheaper stuff like the 4850/GTS250, especially where AA is concerned.

Also you need to bear in mind that future games may be more demanding, so it's good to have a bit of headroom.
 
1Gb 4870 absolutely fine here too, and besides the X2 series weren't out when I bought and there's no point upgrading for the kind of money they cost as I'd only see a real improvement in the likes of Crysis as so many others here have said.
 
I have read about people saying so many times that they only need a 4850 or 4870 for a 22" or even 24" monitor.. I don't understand why as you only need to see real game benchmarks to see that having an x2 at these resolutions is needed, unless of course you like playing your games that can slow down a lot.

Another thing that bothers me is the fact that usually good midrange cards are just about as good as the high end card of the same generation, it makes me wonder why pay extra for the best card when it only has a bit of advantage instead of a much bigger advantage? yeah, you tell me. or is it simply greed?

I just want to see peoples opinions on this.

real game benchmarks, what exactly are you talking about though. Some review sites use their own timedemo's, though not many, and most for the sake of testing performance will use max settings and use the most intensive scene in the game. Firstly that doesn't mean that all the settings offer tangible visual quality increase vs performance decrease. Secondly a dip to 20fps for a split second in the most intensive part of a game is not noticeable unless you run fraps constantly.

For instance Fear, the benchmark utility included offers scene complexity not offered in the actual game, and I've never been as slow in game as in the benchmark, likewise the "soft shadows" option is a true performance killer, yet its horribly implemented and the shadows actually look worse. So you turn them off get a better picture AND better performance.

Reviews aren't the be all and end all.

Even saying that most of the reviews I see show a single 4870 kill almost all games at 1920x1200, sure some show 30fps rather than 80fps, but those games will be Company of Heroes, a RTS, a very slow paced game where you rarely move the screen fast, you simply don't notice the difference in a RTS above maybe 20-25fps, while in lots of FPS games the same framerate would be horrible. you don't need 60fps min in every game, because many games don't need that performance, and again RTS's in general have more units, more calculations and are more cpu based than gpu based. for instance I don't think anyone ever complained about the last 2/3 C&C games being slow yet are all capped at 30fps.

Theres very few games that won't run great on a single gfx card in the midrange price bracket, you can spend twice as much if you want that one game you play for 15 hours thats slower than the rest before you move onto another game that plays fine again, or you can spend half as much and turn down settings marginally on that one game a year thats a pain to run.
 
The 1GB 4870 and the GTX 250 216 are the current sweet spot for high-res gaming, there`s only a few titles that would struggle with them.
 
A single card from an 8800GT upwards is good enough to play most games at 1920 res but if your someone who likes atleast 4x AA and maxed out graphics then you are going to need something a bit more powerful than a single 260.
 
why pay extra for the best card when it only has a bit of advantage instead of a much bigger advantage? yeah, you tell me. or is it simply greed?

Well I had a 4870X2 @ 24'', and I sold it because I didn't need the power. The only game I've played in the past year that actually does is Crysis.

I'm now on a single GTX 260, and nothing I've played defeats this card. Only DoW2 slows down a bit when there is a lot on screen, but it hardly impacts adversely on the game experience.

The plain fact of the matter is that, just like in almost any market with almost any good there are premium products which are brilliant pieces of kit, but have a price tag vastly disproportionate to their performance. It's simple economics.

If you want the very best performance possible for e-peen reasons, play Crysis every hour of every day, or run competitive benchmarks, buy a premium card. For the rest of us, save your cash and go where the value for money is, and you won't be able to tell the difference.
 
I'm running a single 4870 512MB on a 28" 1920 - and the only game I can't max out is Crysis, which still runs fine with Gamer settings.

Every recent game I've bought has played perfectly fine, even with 2xAA - Mirror's Edge, Prince of Persia, Demigod, blahdy-blah.

The only killer for my card is >2xAA, and this is due to the lowly 512MB GDDR.
 
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