Anyone else watch this and think "Yeah, she asked for it"?

[TW]Fox;13885853 said:
All this is going to lead to is a police force scared to do anything in future, which will lead to problems keeping public order.
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I completely agree with this. Our police are going to soon be the laughing stock of the world. Because of those two idiot policemen there will no doubt be a change of policy and the police in the future will run away, like they did in that muslim protest not long ago.
The police at those protests had bottles thrown at them and some were hit on the head with metal poles - they had a right to use baton's. Ofcourse there will be a few officers who used too much force but they've now been suspended.

We already have a very soft police force. I dread to think what will happen now.
 
People do not fear and have no respect for the police in this country, it's a simple fact. Do you think the American police would have put up with this? No they wouldn't, im sick of all these human rights people whining that everything should be kind and fluffy and nobody should be harmed. Even if they are terrorist suspects who killed 5000 people raped a country and killed a puppy, they shouldn't be given sub standard food, or live in a cell without a TV.

If your in the wrong, you get slapped and eat rubbish food. If you don't like it, then don't act up.

This country is a joke.
 
GSDog said:
Because of those two idiot policemen there will no doubt be a change of policy and the police in the future will run away, like they did in that muslim protest not long ago.
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Not because of the 2 "idiot policemen"... It'd be because of our laughable Government, ridiculous media and whiny public.
Always blame the police, never the poor innocent protestors. In the heart attack death, ok... Blame the police officer... In this situation, blame the stupid bint who carries on attacking the officer after numerous warnings.
 
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Emlyn_Dewar said:
Not because of the 2 "idiot policemen"... It'd be because of our laughable Government, ridiculous media and whiny public.
Always blame the police, never the poor innocent protestors. In the heart attack death, ok... Blame the police officer... In this situation, blame the stupid bint who carries on attacking the officer after numerous warnings.
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I don't see her attacking him. Shouting at him yes. No one is saying she is "poor" or "innocent".

He slapped her across the face and then hit her with a baton. How can you not think this is wrong? What's wrong with arrest?
 
She didn't attack anyone, she shouted, I'm guessing because the guy further back had just been pushed over.

If I saw a group of thugs pushing someone over I'd expect to get a thump if I said anything, you all appear to accept that the police should behave like a group of thugs.

Note the senior 'proper' policeman had to come over to calm the crowd after this series of events.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Not because of the 2 "idiot policemen"... It'd be because of our laughable Government, ridiculous media and whiny public.
Always blame the police, never the poor innocent protestors. In the heart attack death, ok... Blame the police officer... In this situation, blame the stupid bint who carries on attacking the officer after numerous warnings.
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Strange definition of attack... For a start there have been more than 2 police filmed in incidents. A couple were clearly letting dogs bite people once their backs were turned. Several instances of bashing people standing still with shields. Full scale no warning riot police charge with dogs at a tent city when the police had indicated they would first request people move after a set time. That's just from films that have emerged so far.

I don't think anyone has criticised them for hitting people who actually were a threat and doing damage.

Vanilla said:
Apparently this wasn't from the G20 protests but from a vigil for Ian Thomson sometime afterwards??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/15/metropolitan-police-tomlinson-assault-g20
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I saw that and my thought was what trouble if any there would have been without a police presence.

meghatronic said:
This thread is getting pointeless - just like the constant media attention. It is a matter for the police and the IPCC.
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Yes, such a trustworthy separation of powers. Found the CCTV tapes in the end though I hear...

There are also plenty of other abuses of police power coming out, such as threatening the press with arrest for not moving. They apologised for that but the damage is done.

Once these kind of things are allowed to become the norm, then the next step is always snuck in and it's always blamed on terrorism. 7 days for terrorism, 14, 28 and some attempts at 42 and we would probably be looking at 56 days if that had been allowed.
 
Verbal abuse is an attack in my eyes, she was a right mouthy cow and deserved anything she got.
Edit: There is also the clip that shows her going in for the push isn't there?

Isn't the above 'terrorism' bit the standard response on why we should allow protestors to do whatever they want?
It wasn't terrorism here, it was plenty of loud mouth trouble makers and a few "questionable" police decisions.

Why were the press threatend with arrest? Were they innocently reporting on newsworthy events or were they creating further hassle/trouble?
 
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Emlyn_Dewar said:
Isn't the above 'terrorism' bit the standard response on why we should allow protestors to do whatever they want?
It wasn't terrorism here, it was plenty of loud mouth trouble makers and a few "questionable" police decisions.
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No, it was an example of how things gradually erode when things are allowed to creep in. We allow a slap and a baton hit today, a dog bite, in a few years we'll be accepting worse ad nauseum.

I have never heard either of the claims you make above. In fact terrorism has become the standard response for letting the government and police do what they want in my opinion. People should be allowed to protest, nothing more, nothing less.

Terrorism is also relevant because its used to justify so many of our laws by scaring people and also the police are increasingly using terrorism laws to quell things they don't like that have no relation to terrorism.
 
They should be allowed to protest, no arguement there. If they think that someone will listen, go ahead.
It shouldn't immediately grant people a license to cause trouble/encourage violence though... This is something I have problems with, and more often than not the response is along the lines of "there'll always be a few bad apples", not good enough tbh.
 
Telescopi said:
She didn't attack anyone, she shouted, I'm guessing because the guy further back had just been pushed over.
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Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought what she was doing was an attack, see below. Clearly I'm wrong, and the officer was wrong too. It blatantly couldn't've been a knife or something as there was no attack.

Me bad.

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I've never seen a video from that angle, though I've seen 3 or 4 now.

Is that a shard of glass in her hand?
 
Firstly, I'd like to ask the admins is their any point to this debate or the other police topics that are floating around general discussion at the moment as they've turned from debates to jumping on either the pro or anti police bandwagons. With little actual debating passing between the two groups! Just sharp recycled remarks with little evidence just hindsight and ego centred op ions, as those people on the forum with experience in such matters have been shouted down by most members of the anti-police bandwagon.
Secondly to the response of the picture which clearly shows her grabbing hole of the cop with significant force to prevent him using the baton in the correct manor. This significant force can legally be counted as either assault n a police officer or obstructing the police officer from carrying out his duties.

Hoping for a wish admin to lock this topic now.
 
Gilly said:
I've never seen a video from that angle, though I've seen 3 or 4 now.

Is that a shard of glass in her hand?
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It doesn't matter what it is - but I think it is something innocent.

It could've been a shard, a knife, a syringe - anything. If I was the policemen, I would've done exactly the same with that threat.

Either way, that picture shows you assaulting a police officer.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;13893413 said:
Subjective opinion.
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the copper that was actually their ring any bells? he came out with one comment and as shouted down by the mass of ill informed anti police bandwagoners
 
chumpit said:
the copper that was actually their ring any bells? he came out with one comment and as shouted down by the mass of ill informed anti police bandwagoners
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How about those of who were in the city because we work there and saw agressive police tactics?

I've not seen a post in this thread by a policeman who was there, is it in this thread?

I'd also like 'there' to be defined, becuase there were protests all over London that day. Was he standing next to this incident, or the one where the fella had a heart attack? Yes, there were violent protesters in London that day, but there were many, far, far more who were not.

chumpit said:
Tbh, African Americans in America have been shot for carrying a lot less, let her be glad he wasnt a yank....
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Again, I don't understand the whole 'she should be thankful she's not in xxxx where she would have been yyyyy' comments. We aren't in any of those places we are in London.
 
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