Pirate bay court case

Why not invent a way so that you can input the name of the file yourself in uTorrent so that there aren't even torrent files needed to share, that way you only need one webpages with what name to input in uTorrent to get the files.
 
Not including torrents, there are numerous other ways of finding and sharing copyrighted material on the internet, I'm not going to list them here though. Why try and sue thousands and thousands of sites when you can just lean even more heavily on the companies that provide them bandwidth.
 
ben_j_davis said:
Not including torrents, there are numerous other ways of finding and sharing copyrighted material on the internet, I'm not going to list them here though. Why try and sue thousands and thousands of sites when you can just lean even more heavily on the companies that provide them bandwidth.
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because all the file sharers will do is move to countries with poorer quality law system.
 
It's a difficult case to prove either way, there are so many ways in which you could turn the whole thing in circles from any perspective.
Either way, very very harsh fines for a civil matter.

For the detractors - iTunes is not good enough. Simple as.

There is still a gigantic market waiting to be tapped for all this content. Games, Music, Movies - Everything.
A model *LIKE* iTunes, with nice bits from Steam perhaps plus other bits chucked in. Official and unofficial channels all built around an open platform, paid for and supported by a small % of every sale.

Bands able to chuck promotion material up onto their little bit of the system, all contextual and semantically searchable - Like a drummer? Find out what else he's worked on, movies, games, or other music.
Like a piece of music? Search for similar music (ala Pandora).
Like a film? Search for similar films at the click of a mouse.

To say this isn't possible is a load of rubbish, the only thing lacking in this is a platform, an open body or standardisation to let the whole thing flourish.
 
Pirate bays name though....come on it was hard to fight against claims that you are encouraging piracy haha.

Other torrent sites or programs just simply put a message up saying 'dont use this the wrong way' and then they can't be blamed for it unless all peer to peer programs and sites are stopped.
 
Dutch Guy said:
Why not invent a way so that you can input the name of the file yourself in uTorrent so that there aren't even torrent files needed to share, that way you only need one webpages with what name to input in uTorrent to get the files.
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Essentially you’re talking about tracker less torrents, which is already a possibility as far as I’m aware, the problem you have is the same with the public / private tracker argument, you’re going to seriously undermine the speed and availability of said torrent if there is no repercussions for disconnecting from the swarm.

It’s a wonder to me how public trackers do as well as they do in that respect, it highlights how many millions of people must use them all the time as you must be relying mainly on people either in the process of downloading or just finished.

Private trackers on the other hand, especially the really good ones get better the more you use and upload on them.
 
Oxy said:
omg omg omg omg omg, I have just had an idea!!!!!! no one will have thought of this surely!!!

Its like steam for valve stuffs, but would be called Dream or summit. Punters simply pay for movies, tv shows, music & games on their "dream" account. Much the same as steam/impulse.

It would have different fees depending on how many TV shows you wanted to download and keep each week/month, same for albums, games and movies.

This could go even further, say you wanted to keep your downloads of say Heroes season 3, you could pay a one off fee for it thats cheaper than traditional etailers and high street stores.

omg omg omg omg, quick oxy, to the patent office!!!! go go go
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omg omg omg, I'm not going to pay unless it is CHEAPER than buying it in story, is 1080p (and allows me to play it on whatever device I want, move it from device to device and so on), and I get a download rate sufficient for me to be able to stream the video.
Even if the 1st two can be implemented by the store, the last one is the sticking point as we fail at having fast internet in this country - and that is down to ISPs meaning that the content providers cannot fix it, as such I would not use their system
 
I can sort of see how a court that doesn't fully understand technological aspect of it would just presume the platform that doesn't actually do any crime but inform of where the alleged crime takes place is treated as equal to organizer of said crime. I sort of had a feeling the industry will try and skew it into "providing means to perpetrate crime" and yet I am still surprised by verdict. If you had a bar and it was notorious as meeting point for few folks trading DVDs it would be up to police, not barman, to make sure they don't do any wrong doing. It's not like Pirate Bay was harbouring anyone or hiding criminals. In fact the system was so open you would think it'd be crazy to use it.
It also creates precedence where any provider of a forum, search or engine of some kind is responsible for content held by users.
I'm willing to bet Swedish legal system is based on a single judge ruling, rather than panel of any kind therefore you find a oldtime judge that's hardcore and clueless enough and you can get crazy ruling like site owner being ordered to pay 3 million to industry that couldn't probably even prove any losses in first place.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
It's a difficult case to prove either way, there are so many ways in which you could turn the whole thing in circles from any perspective.
Either way, very very harsh fines for a civil matter.

For the detractors - iTunes is not good enough. Simple as.

There is still a gigantic market waiting to be tapped for all this content. Games, Music, Movies - Everything.
A model *LIKE* iTunes, with nice bits from Steam perhaps plus other bits chucked in. Official and unofficial channels all built around an open platform, paid for and supported by a small % of every sale.

Bands able to chuck promotion material up onto their little bit of the system, all contextual and semantically searchable - Like a drummer? Find out what else he's worked on, movies, games, or other music.
Like a piece of music? Search for similar music (ala Pandora).
Like a film? Search for similar films at the click of a mouse.

To say this isn't possible is a load of rubbish, the only thing lacking in this is a platform, an open body or standardisation to let the whole thing flourish.
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Exactly, what we need is a central place for everything, so that you can just go there and be able to download anything and everything - search for everything related to anything and so on.
Not going to happen for a long time though, at least not in the next 5-10 years - not until the "next" generation of CEOs come in (are people who are currently in their late teens, early 20s).
 
Just heard on news, PB owners have been sent to prison and ordered to pay £2,000,000 in damages or something...How would they be expected to pay if they are in jail?
 
v0n said:
If you had a bar and it was notorious as meeting point for few folks trading DVDs it would be up to police, not barman, to make sure they don't do any wrong doing.
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Not really the same, is it. The majority of the traffic on Pirate Bay was illegal. It's more like having a bar where everyone in there was trading DVD's and they guy renamed his bar DVDTraders. Whilst the landlord isn't actually trading, he's providing a platform for everyone else to (and condoning the activity).

I'll say it again - they knew what they were doing and they deserve what they've got.
 
Just seen this on the news and can't believe the outcome.

It's absolutely absurd. As they said 'this is a political trial not a criminal trial' to which I whole heartadly agree.

While you agree with what they do or not is not really the question the law is the question and to find them guilty is just basically bending over to Sony, etc. which the judge seemed to do. I can't see which Swedish law they broke.

My personal stance is that I will never, ever buy anything from the record companies. I am not saying I will obtain stuff illegally before any of you jump on me I am just saying I am not giving those corrupt ***** another penny.



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A large part of the problem for digital distribution is that, at present, piracy typically offers the better product.

Look at music sites, guaranteed 320kbits/sec / flac on most websites where you can download the whole lot for a preview. On legal sites its rare to find flac at a reasonable price and you can't preview the whole song. Itunes is the worst example for me, especially given the recent case of them charging people 20p per song to remove DRM and up the sound quality from terrible to average.

Films, buy a DVD, get unskippable anti piracy adds before you can start your movie. Legal streaming services typically offer lower quality picture, especially for high definition. Illegal means, top quality high definition without unskippable adverts. So far blu-ray has been a step in the right direction, none of my disks have any adverts, some don't even go to the menu they just launch straight into the film (as the menu is accessible on-screen while the movie continues to play) and things such as the ability to download extra content to your players harddrive add to the enjoyment of actually owning the product.

Games, buy it, get faced with DRM that potentially limits the number of times you install the game (Spore, Assault on Dark Athena), slows down game performance (GTAIV) or just stops you from installing the game altogether (first few days after receiving bioshock). You also often are forced to keep the disk in the drive. Illegal downloads, DRM is disabled, disk isn't required and in some very rare cases the illegal versions actually run BETTER than the legal one (can't remember what game, but not too long ago a developer released a no cd crack from a release group as an official patch to fix some issues).
 
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Basher said:
Use iTunes.
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Why? Its utter garbage. Anyone with a half decent sound system it would be criminal. And why pay over the odds for a few MP3's when for cheaper you can have WAV files on a CD.

As always ignorance is bliss when it comes to the majority of the populous.

Or you could use an illegal site that can get you FLAC audio for free. They wonder why people pirate? And factor in DRM......
 
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