sickening police violence

scorza said:
Can a baton strike on the legs and a push cause an abdominal haemorrhage?
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Falling hard on the concrete from an unexpected push from behind can certainly.

Or are you going to try to tell us it was Ian Tomlinson's fault for not landing properly? :rolleyes:
 
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Delvis said:
He wasn't touched in the freaking abdomen! Jesus Mary of Joseph.

And yes I read the 'Medical sources said that this could be caused by an injury sustained through trauma such as a fall or a blow to the stomach.' part.
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Not in the video but that was the 2nd assualt according to eye witnesses. From memory the first assault he was shoulder charged by a policeman and sent flying across the ground with enough force that he rolled over and then was struck twice by the policeman.

That indeed could have caused the internal bleeding. As to whether it was the same policeman as in the video footage later remains to be seen.
 
Where are all the IDIOTS who said that the 'push' was not violent and trivial. It is hugely likely that this could have caused something like this.The overwhelming likelihood is that the violence perpetrated on Mr Tomlinson was the catalyst for this injury, it WAY more likely than by mere chance in my opinion.
 
newbiejim said:
Well why dont you read the links posted in this thread previously?, you have been active if not diligent in pursuing things from a police-apologist perspective in this thread.
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Come again?

Sorry, I don't sit on here all evening every day reading every page and post so my apologies if I am responding to one post referring to the original video.

I asked for an opinion anyway on why the original coroner (or whatever profession is suitable here :)) was not fit for identifying the original heart attack claim..Yet they wouldn't say why due to other reasons..So hey.

Police-apologist view though? I'm just giving views, neither are biased, they just give a different viewpoint rather than 'omg media said so, so must be truth'.

Anyway, hopefully the correct person is held accountable in the end.
 
Delvis said:
Come again?

Sorry, I don't sit on here all evening every day reading every page and post so my apologies if I am responding to one post referring to the original video.

I asked for an opinion anyway on why the original coroner (or whatever profession is suitable here :)) was not fit for identifying the original heart attack claim..Yet they wouldn't say why due to other reasons..So hey.

Police-apologist view though? I'm just giving views, neither are biased, they just give a different viewpoint rather than 'omg media said so, so must be truth'.

Anyway, hopefully the correct person is held accountable in the end.
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Sorry about my grumpiness but I do feel strongly about this case, anyhows, sorry and take a look at this link here
 
Ian Tomlinson broke his fall with his hands -

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I should have had at least 10 abdominal haemorrhages a year if a push can cause it.
 
dmpoole said:
Ian Tomlinson broke his fall with his hands -

iantomlinson.jpg


I should have had at least 10 abdominal haemorrhages a year if a push can cause it.
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Well medical experts disagree with you, so can you confirm that you believe you know better than them?


btw u went to the trouble of uploading that image to ure webspace?
 
dmpoole said:
Ian Tomlinson broke his fall with his hands -

iantomlinson.jpg


I should have had at least 10 abdominal haemorrhages a year if a push can cause it.
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Yes but if you are a raving alchoholic with an enflamed splene and Liver it would probably go bang .... I feel a call for a manslaughter charge coming on here agaisnt the Met .
 
dmpoole said:
Ian Tomlinson broke his fall with his hands -

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I should have had at least 10 abdominal haemorrhages a year if a push can cause it.
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Just because he had arms outstretched doesn't mean that he was able to cushion the impact, the camera doesn't even catch how he landed.

People fall down and break bones all the time and bones are quite a bit stronger than organs.
 
newbiejim said:
As oppose to you guys tainting Mr Tomlinson?
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Feel free to quote me anywhere I have "tainted" Mr Tomlinson.

newbiejim said:
, it is spectacularly apparent that no matter what a certain amount of people will try pathetically to look for excuses here.The overwhelming weight of evidence points firmly to police acting wrongly.
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I just don't really agree with trial by media regardless of who the "accused" is.
 
Here's me thinking that police were entitled to innocent until proven guilty as well.

The second post mortem has given a cause of death ........ not a reason how it happened or who, if anyone, made it happen.
 
RDM said:
No, if it is someone you don't like the normal rules don't apply. Now get back out there repressing our freedoms!
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On what do you base that assumption ?

Media coverage perhaps or do you have first hand experience of front line policing on a day to day basis that you wish to share with us ?
 
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