Pirate bay court case

Don't quite understand the Pirate Bay thing, they've being sent for jail for doing what ?

I was under the impression that Pirate bay link to material, in the same way google would do, and so if you found an illegal download on google, google could be taken to court in the same way ?

*thinking out loud*
 
fini said:
Yes, but Google takes down any illegal material complained of within a reasonable time, the pirate bay refused to.
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YouTube does remove content on request though, which is fine as copyright infringement is generally only a civil matter so is only an issue if the copyright holder takes issue with it.
 
I havent read the whole thread but have been following this story. Strange that they would be jailed even if they werent the ones who uploaded the content. On the same basis that the creaters google could be jailed because you could use google to find "warez" or pirate software/films/music etc.

Also i thought i read somewhere that sweden had different copyright rules in that it wasnt illegal or was a kind of grey area. Though perhaps i miss read that. :rolleyes:
 
I do feel sorry for that Judge though, he's opened himself up for a lot of hate, from a fair amount of technical minded geeks and a load of internet retards.
 
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Just watched this on the news, it couldn't have been a bigger advertisement for TPB/piracy if they tried, if people had never heard of how to get hold of pirate material they certainly know now!
 
This was inevitable, after all they were providing a means to illegally share data. Total waste of time in any case, maybe the x-men spinoff wouldn't have been pirated so much if it had been released in the cinema sooner, until producers can get their act together and give the customer what they want instead of ripping them off and taking forever to release content like LOTR on blu-ray for example, people are bound to pirate.
 
apeZ said:
Right. Here's my opinion on the matter.
Edit: Another thing for those talking about CDs/DRM, did you know that it is actually illegal to copy a song from a CD (that you legally purchased) to your computer, in the UK? Many people do so anyway.
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Did that not get changed or was it refused?

According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7176538.stm ther was a chance and a consultation was due to commence on 8 March 2008 regarding it.
 
I have to say I'm in favour of the judgement. Buy paying full price for albums we can get more real talent like Lilly Alen coming through the ranks
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Swordfish said:
Did that not get changed or was it refused?

According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7176538.stm ther was a chance and a consultation was due to commence on 8 March 2008 regarding it.
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No, not changed yet as according to the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

See here: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g1

Copyight said:
17 Infringement of copyright by copying

(1) The copying of the work is an act restricted by the copyright in every description of copyright work; and references in this Part to copying and copies shall be construed as follows.

(2) Copying in relation to a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work means reproducing the work in any material form.

This includes storing the work in any medium by electronic means
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I haven't had a chance to read through the whole Act, unsurprisingly, but that seems to outline it.
 
apeZ said:
I haven't had a chance to read through the whole Act, unsurprisingly, but that seems to outline it.
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Its a URL, its not like anyone was directly downloading from pirate bay. So i would get arrested if i shouted out a URL in the street.....:rolleyes:
 
Basher said:
gotten?

Anyway, the gun example - the crime (murder, whatever) is committed AFTER the transaction, so obviously the shop is not in control of this.

TPB - when downloading illegal content the crime is commited when you conduct the transaction - the site IS in control of this.

As such TPB is more responsible.
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Basher said:
I didn't say it was. I said it was in control on allowing people to download this illegal material.
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You state first that selling a gun is not a crime but using the gun is.
You then state that providing the torrent is a crime, you believed that downloading the torrent involved downloading copyright material.

So is it your contention that you don't know the difference between downloading a torrent and using the torrent? Or is it that downloading the torrent is illegal?

One makes you a fool, the other ignorant.

Note, I am not arguing about the spirit of the law. I am stating that arguing when you don't understand what is going on is wrong.
 
As I understand it, the sanctions will not be enforced until the appeal process is complete.

So until TPB go through the 3 (I think) levels of appeal courts then the prison sentence and fine will not be imposed.

I just realised - is there anything in the judgement ruling that the site would have to be shut at that point?
 
osc89er said:
You state first that selling a gun is not a crime but using the gun is.
You then state that providing the torrent is a crime, you believed that downloading the torrent involved downloading copyright material.

So is it your contention that you don't know the difference between downloading a torrent and using the torrent? Or is it that downloading the torrent is illegal?

One makes you a fool, the other ignorant.

Note, I am not arguing about the spirit of the law. I am stating that arguing when you don't understand what is going on is wrong.
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I buy a gun - marketed as (for example) a hunting2000. It's clear that this weapon is designed for hunting but I go out and kill someone with it - me breaking the law, not the shopowner.

I download a torrent listed as NewMetallicaAlbum - this is quite obviously marketed as something which is illegal - TPB are facilitating illegal transfers.

It is undeniable that they set this site up solely for this purpose and, quite rightly have been punished for it.
 
If the Pirate Bay goes down, people will just flock to other sites like Mininova, hold out there and make new sites. Piracy will never go away.
 
Basher said:
I buy a gun - marketed as (for example) a hunting2000. It's clear that this weapon is designed for hunting but I go out and kill someone with it - me breaking the law, not the shopowner.

I download a torrent listed as NewMetallicaAlbum - this is quite obviously marketed as something which is illegal - TPB are facilitating illegal transfers.

It is undeniable that they set this site up solely for this purpose and, quite rightly have been punished for it.
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Arrrgggghhhhh how many times? They are not hosting the files just pointing the links to them exactly like Google, Yahoo, MSN Live, etc. do but with a prettier GUI.

Just because you downloaded NewMetallicaAlbum and got say got a movie of a man breaking wind means you haven't broken the law because no copyright infringment has taken place (i.e. nothing illegal has been downloaded - then how can you have broken the law) you can't be doing an illegal activity because you thought you were (I think the majority of people in the world would be in prison because they thought of doing something illegal).

They have yet to be punished for it. TPB will continue whether these guys are around or not. There are a few more stages before they can do anything and it will take approximately 4-5 years to get there.

What they are doing is not illegal in Sweden the only reason anything has been done about the case is the massive media hype surrounding it and also the greedy fat record companies are throwing there weight behind it.

If you want to look at something interesting why not have a look at the face that the judgement was released prior to them being in court. A 107 page judgement that may as well have been written by Sony. It simply isn't a fair hearing so if you say they are 'justly' being punished then you may as well say the guy walking in London was 'justly' pushed over.



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The difference between google and a torrent site is that google simply lists domain names that could be accessed anyway by typing them into the address bar, torrent sites provide a torrent file that allow you to download the data that you wouldn't otherwise be able to.
 
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