Berbatov @ Spurs?

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Hi,
*Just to clarify, this isn't another post bashing Berba. ;)*
But I must admit to not having watched many Spurs matches when he played and I am genuinely curious of what (if anything) has changed now with his game.
Because although not seeing much of him, I knew of his reputation and how highly he was rated (by most people, not just Spurs fans).
So is he playing in a different position for us now, or is simply out of form? Is he capable of more?
Again - not trying to bash the guy but I am a little confused with what I'm seeing.
 
He's a waste of time, money and space

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Hi,
*Just to clarify, this isn't another post bashing Berba. ;)*
But I must admit to not having watched many Spurs matches when he played and I am genuinely curious of what (if anything) has changed now with his game.
Because although not seeing much of him, I knew of his reputation and how highly he was rated (by most people, not just Spurs fans).
So is he playing in a different position for us now, or is simply out of form? Is he capable of more?
Again - not trying to bash the guy but I am a little confused with what I'm seeing.

I think at Spurs he shined for a number of reasons. Firstly, him and Keane struck up a hell of a partnership. They were both on the same wavelength as each other, and Berba knew where to put the ball for Keane, and vice versa. There's been none of that at OT.

Also I think he's been played in an odd position. Spurs gave him licence to roam behind Keane, linking play and pulling strings. United seem to plonk him upfront and expect him to do Keane's job, which isn't really what he does.

Also, United have three strikers who like to drop deep and pick up the play, before moving towards goal. Nobody is staying in the box doing the job of putting the ball in the net, and I don't think anyone has since RvN left.

Personally i'd like to see one of Tevez/Berba gone in the summer and a striker like I described above brought in.
 
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But I must admit to not having watched many Spurs matches when he played and I am genuinely curious of what (if anything) has changed now with his game.
Don't think anything has really changed. He was fantastic at Spurs because most of the play went through him or Keane so he saw a lot more of the ball and was able to have a far greater influence on the game.

United don't play the same style of football, or at least they didn't last season, and Berbatovs limitations as a team player are being highlighted as a result.

Seemed a strange signing when they first bought him and seems even stranger now. Doesn't suit them at all imo. Would've been far better at a team like Arsenal.
 
Wonder if Man U will loan him back :cool:

It might be that hes feeling the pressure. Man Utd expect to win every game, no such pressure at Spurs. It might also be to do with the way he is being played, abit like Robbie Keane at Liverpool.
 
He doesn't seem that different from his Spurs days to me.

He's playing with better players now but the teams he's playing against defend far more against Utd than they did vs Spurs so he get's less space to play in. The only other thing is that if he played **** for Spurs nobody really noticed.
 
he was great at spurs, he can be great at Man U, their fans tend to forget the goals he's scored and the assists he made. No one was really complaining about him anymore when there was a goal every couple of games, an assist here and there, and they were winning.

he needs a willing runner infront though, he's a playmaker not a small fast guy to run in behind, he never has been that player and never looked like that player however thats how he's played.

ALl this talk of "team work", he's fine, lately teamwork means Tevez running around giving away freekicks. Fans seem to forget if your striker is running around 40 yards away from when he should be when your team get the ball back they've got no one to play it too.

Man U are suffering from Tevez's lack of , well, real ability and the less he gets picked the more "effort" he puts in, in terms of supposed team work, which makes him even more useless.

Its quite simple team work, a striker does his best work for his team, upfront, a striker, pretending to be a defensive midfielder ISN'T working for the team, he's just working, he doesn't win the ball that often, got a yellow card, was one bad tackle from being sent off and didn't have a decent chance on goal in 120 minutes.

Personally I wouldn't blame Berbatov for a SINGLE bad shot in a game he came on that was in a deadlock, with talentless turds like Wellbeck and Tevez around him, not a single talented runner to play off or play the ball in for. Again I would say Tevez's complete lack of threat over 120 minutes was far more disgraceful than a single split second by berbatov. that penalty could easily have gone in, it wasn't great, but still could easily have gone in if Howard dived the other way, then you'd have nothing to say about him at all. yet Tevez would still have been completely worthless for an entire 120minutes.

Utd do try to play the same football Spurs played with Berbatov there, passing, counter attacking, theres no difference except in the quality of the strikers around him, or more to say, the lack of strikers around him. Rooney for 3 years has been becoming more of a midfielder than a striker even finally going as far as recently to be played on the wing for both england and Man U. Tevez, you just rarely see Tevez actually run beyond the defence, and haven't for over a year.

Man U really need to let Tevez go, no way in hell he's worth as much as he'll cost. Get in a real striker who likes to play ahead of the game, run in behind and you'll see a world class Berbatov come to life. Or you know, tell one of your stupid strikers to play as a striker rather than run around following the ball. They've missed a RVN since he left and he's exactly who they need infront of a Berbatov.

Whats hilarious really is that Macheda is actually looking the part of that willing runner in behind. When he came on for that first goal against Villa no one had run inbehind the defence that game till basically the second he came on, suddenly the whole midfield and a whole range of passes to make and when the ball was inbehind the defence is backtracking and all over the place, as is normal. Tevez again that day had failed to run in behind a single time and was worthless all game. THe hilarious part, what they needed today was to take off the hapless welbeck and put Berbatov on with Macheda infront, those two could work very well, but Fergie took off Macheda rather than Welbeck or Tevez. That cost them the game.

Answer me this berb bashes and Tevez lovers, how is it Man U are getting worse the more Tevez and his fantastic workrate play, how many tackles does he really win with his constantly running around and how many fouls is he giving away, how many shots is he having a game or chances created for others? I've yet to see him offer a REAL threat this year as he's always chasing the game, he's always to deep and he's never making dangerous runs for the likes of scholes/giggs/berb/rooney/ronaldo to pick him out in the box.
 
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What has your dislike of Tevez got to do with the difference in how Berbatov played for Spurs and how he plays for United? Yet another pointless rant infecting a thread.
 
He suited Spurs style of play and their work effort, he doesn't suit Man Uniteds attack and the fact they are going for 3-4 trophies a season every season.

should have bought a fast young lad from Europe, Benzema or got Eto. United have enough player makers with Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney they just need someone to get in the box like a fox.
 
he was great at spurs, he can be great at Man U, their fans tend to forget the goals he's scored and the assists he made. No one was really complaining about him anymore when there was a goal every couple of games, an assist here and there, and they were winning.

he needs a willing runner infront though, he's a playmaker not a small fast guy to run in behind, he never has been that player and never looked like that player however thats how he's played.

ALl this talk of "team work", he's fine, lately teamwork means Tevez running around giving away freekicks. Fans seem to forget if your striker is running around 40 yards away from when he should be when your team get the ball back they've got no one to play it too.

Man U are suffering from Tevez's lack of , well, real ability and the less he gets picked the more "effort" he puts in, in terms of supposed team work, which makes him even more useless.

Its quite simple team work, a striker does his best work for his team, upfront, a striker, pretending to be a defensive midfielder ISN'T working for the team, he's just working, he doesn't win the ball that often, got a yellow card, was one bad tackle from being sent off and didn't have a decent chance on goal in 120 minutes.

Personally I wouldn't blame Berbatov for a SINGLE bad shot in a game he came on that was in a deadlock, with talentless turds like Wellbeck and Tevez around him, not a single talented runner to play off or play the ball in for. Again I would say Tevez's complete lack of threat over 120 minutes was far more disgraceful than a single split second by berbatov. that penalty could easily have gone in, it wasn't great, but still could easily have gone in if Howard dived the other way, then you'd have nothing to say about him at all. yet Tevez would still have been completely worthless for an entire 120minutes.

Utd do try to play the same football Spurs played with Berbatov there, passing, counter attacking, theres no difference except in the quality of the strikers around him, or more to say, the lack of strikers around him. Rooney for 3 years has been becoming more of a midfielder than a striker even finally going as far as recently to be played on the wing for both england and Man U. Tevez, you just rarely see Tevez actually run beyond the defence, and haven't for over a year.

Man U really need to let Tevez go, no way in hell he's worth as much as he'll cost. Get in a real striker who likes to play ahead of the game, run in behind and you'll see a world class Berbatov come to life. Or you know, tell one of your stupid strikers to play as a striker rather than run around following the ball. They've missed a RVN since he left and he's exactly who they need infront of a Berbatov.

Whats hilarious really is that Macheda is actually looking the part of that willing runner in behind. When he came on for that first goal against Villa no one had run inbehind the defence that game till basically the second he came on, suddenly the whole midfield and a whole range of passes to make and when the ball was inbehind the defence is backtracking and all over the place, as is normal. Tevez again that day had failed to run in behind a single time and was worthless all game. THe hilarious part, what they needed today was to take off the hapless welbeck and put Berbatov on with Macheda infront, those two could work very well, but Fergie took off Macheda rather than Welbeck or Tevez. That cost them the game.

Answer me this berb bashes and Tevez lovers, how is it Man U are getting worse the more Tevez and his fantastic workrate play, how many tackles does he really win with his constantly running around and how many fouls is he giving away, how many shots is he having a game or chances created for others? I've yet to see him offer a REAL threat this year as he's always chasing the game, he's always to deep and he's never making dangerous runs for the likes of scholes/giggs/berb/rooney/ronaldo to pick him out in the box.

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He was better in his first season at Spurs than his second. All of his best football came in the second half of the first season. He was still arguably our best player last year but he wasn't in the kind of form that would make him stand out at a club like Manchester United.

Berbatov always played 50% better when he played with Keane. It never really worked when he played with Defoe. I still think that he was a fool to join Man Utd and the Man Utd were fools to buy him, especially for £30mil.
 
I think he's been found out at Man U. A lot of his poor effort and attitude in his 2nd season at WHL was put down to him wanting to leave for Utd. Now this doesn't seem to be the case as he's doing the same for them, so what's his excuse now?

The fact he smokes just says to me the guy's attitude isn't right.

He got away with a lot at Spurs because of some the things he pulled off, he was unplayable at times... but that's the thing "at times". At Utd they've been spoiled with Ronaldo so anything Berba does just doesn't cover up his lack of effort. The fact Tevez runs around like a headless chicken just makes him look even lazier than ever.

He doesn't suit them, he wouldn't suit Chelsea or Liverpool either, maybe Arsenal would appreciate him more. I know I'd have him back at Spurs for £10m and reunite him with Keane ;)
 
SkySports said:
Dimitar Berbatov acknowledged he 'let his team down' by missing a penalty in Manchester United's shoot-out defeat by Everton.

Berbatov said:
"I was looking for the goalkeeper and in the last moment he took the angle I was going for, so he saved it,"

"It's always difficult when you lose, especially when you miss a penalty and you let your team down.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13864_5211477,00.html

Well, at least he's admitted that he's a flop.
 
Big fish in a little pond suited him, big fish in a massive ocean clearly doesn't. Should have stayed were he was and been happy to become a Spurs legend instead of risking it all, and don't forget I detest spurs!
 
personally i hope we get rid of him and buy benzema. however the mor likely situation sadly due to the fact we've already forked out the 30mil for berbatoss is that tevez wont sign and wel'll buy another striker. hopefully benzema because i think the guys pure talent and we'd miss out if we didn't grab our chance whilst we had it. if not for him then im not exactly sure.

perhaps we could offer adriano something. we definitl,y do need a 'fox in the box' though.
 
I think Berbatov was a strange move by Sir Alex.

I don't think he's what United needed, United needed a goal getter, not another deep lying striker.

In the almost attacking midfield role, they Have Rooney and Tevez, who were brilliant last season, because Ronaldo stepped up to take the chances and exploit the space they created. They needed someone in the shape of a Van N, just my opinion.

I think Berbatov is a good player, and looked better at Spurs because he was a "big" player in a small pond, the play went through him.

United don't need someone in Berba's mould, and they certainly don't play football that suits him.

Said it at the time, still think it now, pointless buy.

Benzema would have being a much better buy, or try and bring through some of the young strikers.
 
He suited Spurs style of play and their work effort, he doesn't suit Man Uniteds attack and the fact they are going for 3-4 trophies a season every season.

should have bought a fast young lad from Europe, Benzema or got Eto. United have enough player makers with Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney they just need someone to get in the box like a fox.


We didnt even need that, for the odd occasion the fantastic movement, pace and skill of Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo got no luck, they just needed a battering ram to get on the end of some crosses or long balls.

Believe it or not, someone like Crouch.
What we didnt need was someone flouncing around the field, giving the ball away and chipping in with the odd tap in now and again.
 
Robbie Keane.

That's what has gone missing.


+ the support from the fans. Believe it or not, we worshipped him until he started arse-ing about to get his way to United.
 
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