Uni Parking tickets

[TW]Fox · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:24

At least you've got parking at Uni. At my uni there is no parking, ever.

I'm actually working for the Uni this week and despite the fact the Campus is utterly empty and full of empty parking spaces as there is not really anyone in, I'm still not allowed to park there..

Fr0dders · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:26

i think its clear that is more a case of morals than it is the law

Fines for parking in supermarket disabled bays are equally as unenforcable, but it doesnt make it socially acceptable.

Problem is, with this being an empty car park and the OP seemingly not bothering anybody, different people draw the lines in different places.

Yes the uni are legally unable to force you to pay the fines, but you are relying upon them for certain things like graduation, and they have other methods of forcing your hand.

You could always play a waiting game, and refuse to pay and see if they refuse you something, and not pay up until you do.

Or you could take the point of view that you blatently disregarded the signposting, and should feel ashamed for being able to follow simple instructions and pay up.

Dup · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:29

I had a motorbike for uni. I just parked it right outside the door of the building I was in each time and never had a problem. It really made a lot of sense. They wanted some considerable stupid sum for a 12 month parking permit, and I would still have to walk around Preston to get to where I needed to be all day. Lazy, but effective.

They did try and bring in a bike parking scheme where you needed to display a permit. After pointing out the potential flaws of displaying a permit on a bike they backed down and let me park where I wanted again.

[TW]Fox · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:36

MrLOL said:
Or you could take the point of view that you blatently disregarded the signposting, and should feel ashamed for being able to follow simple instructions and pay up.

Or perhaps he feels that after paying them what, upwards of £12,000 for a degree, them making it more difficult to him to get to his lectures by enforcing empty carparks..

Fr0dders · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:38

To be honest i agree with you fox.

I tryed to make my post convey that there are two sides to the argument. And you've only quoted one of them.

[TW]Fox · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:41

The whole Uni thing just winds me up with parking. It's a constant struggle, there isn't really any suitable public transport and they won't even OFFER the chance to buy a permit.

Fr0dders · 20 Apr 2009 at 11:43

i had a similar problem when i was at uni in teesside. City centre uni, and you had to sleep with somebody important just to get on the waiting list to get a parking permit.

In reality, nearly all the students had to walk in, or park on the side roads of the residential housing nearby.

stoofa · 20 Apr 2009 at 12:05

The Uni's have rules for parking because they simply cannot accomodate every single person who would want to park there.
So how do they decide who can and cannot park?
There is no fair way of doing it, so a blanket "No parking for students" is the best way forward.

Of course "you" can think of a good reason why you should be allowed to park.
But then so can everybody else who wants to park there so we're back to square one.
Until a university has got enough parking to allow absolutely everone who wants to park there the ability to do so then rules are enforced.

But as this thread shows - there will always be those that don't feel the rules apply to them and those that feel they have a better reason for parking than everyone else.

Dup · 20 Apr 2009 at 12:09

But then why have empty car parks? They might as well open them up to anyone for free or pay and display, then if its full its tough. Isn't that what a car park is for anyway? The only problem there is non-students using that parking facility, but that's only a small "problem".

osc89er · 20 Apr 2009 at 12:09

Dolph said:
My parents driveway has space for about 8 cars, without restricting entry/exit. they normally only have 3 cars on there.

Why should you not park in the gaps? It's not restricting their access, nor are they using the space most of the time...

If you wouldn't park on their drive, why would you park on someone else's property without permission?

Ah, I get your meaning now. I would not go anywhere near a home.

I thought it was clear that everyone was talking about the private land of businesses.

[TW]Fox · 20 Apr 2009 at 12:11

Dup said:
But then why have empty car parks? They might as well open them up to anyone for free or pay and display, then if its full its tough. Isn't that what a car park is for anyway? The only problem there is non-students using that parking facility, but that's only a small "problem".

Exactly. Frankly I am not after 'free' parking. I'd be happy to have the opportunity to pay to park my car.

Dolph · 20 Apr 2009 at 16:26

osc89er said:
Ah, I get your meaning now. I would not go anywhere near a home.

I thought it was clear that everyone was talking about the private land of businesses.

What makes it different? It's property that belongs to someone else, that you do not have permission to use, or that you have only limited permission to use within certain criteria.

[TW]Fox · 20 Apr 2009 at 16:39

Dolph said:
What makes it different? It's property that belongs to someone else, that you do not have permission to use, or that you have only limited permission to use within certain criteria.

Perhaps if you purchased a large number of goods or services from the house with the ample parking, yet were not permitted to park there and instead had to make alternative travel arrangements simply to purchase from them, it would be the same thing.

But as ever, your analogy is useless and irrelevent.

Dolph · 20 Apr 2009 at 16:44

[TW]Fox;13920813 said:
Perhaps if you purchased a large number of goods or services from the house with the ample parking, yet were not permitted to park there and instead had to make alternative travel arrangements simply to purchase from them, it would be the same thing.

But as ever, your analogy is useless and irrelevent.

Private property is private property. I don't see the difference apart from people trying to justify unauthorised behaviour in a selfish manner by claiming they are different.

With regards to the purchase issue, was there any indication that part of the purchase contract included parking rights? Or is this another irrelevant assumption on your part?

[TW]Fox · 20 Apr 2009 at 16:57

I'm just trying to point out that morality is not always black and white as you'd try and have us beleive. Parking on some random persons driveway is not really the same thing , morally speaking, as parking on the campus of an educational establishment you've paid a 5 figure sum to for a degree.

osc89er · 20 Apr 2009 at 18:37

Dolph said:
Private property is private property. I don't see the difference apart from people trying to justify unauthorised behaviour in a selfish manner by claiming they are different.

With regards to the purchase issue, was there any indication that part of the purchase contract included parking rights? Or is this another irrelevant assumption on your part?

You see things like that, but you also see that most people do not.

You are coming from the angle that private property is private property. That there are no mitigating factors.

I would quite happily park overnight, or all day even, in the car park of my local tesco if it was the closest free parking because it is never full. I am inconveniencing nobody, not least the large, profitable, faceless corporation who owns the land.

I would never park in the driveway of a home even if it was for 10 minutes during the day when I know the resident is at work because I respect a person's private property.

You state that you see no difference. Fine, but you have to accept that most people don't see it the way you do, because a person decides whether it is okay to park there based on their own ideas and moral compass.