And how will Alistair Darling screw the british motorist this year ?

You'll probably find dealers will start to offer £3K if you don't bring them your old motor.

They need some incentive for the dealers to take the old cars in the first place. A means to stop dealers inflating the price of the car to take into account this discount and a suitable means of disposal.
 
I currently own two cars that are over ten years old and could afford to replace them with newer cars if I wanted to. Even a vaguely possible incentive of £2,000 isn't going to convince me that a modern car is worth the effort and extra depreciation. Somehow, I really can't see this scheme making a whole lot of difference.
 
stockhausen said:
I currently own two cars that are over ten years old and could afford to replace them with newer cars if I wanted to. Even a vaguely possible incentive of £2,000 isn't going to convince me that a modern car is worth the effort and extra depreciation. Somehow, I really can't see this scheme making a whole lot of difference.
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Germanys email in trust.
 
Well, my car is 16 years old. But I've only owned it for 2 weeks, so even by the end of the scheme, I won't have owned it long enough for the trade-in. And it is most certainly insured and taxed.
 
Why can we not tax the motorist like some other European countries do and charge them at the pump.

I.e A rep car that may be in a low tax bracket but does 30,000 miles a year will get taxed more than a Ferrari which does 2,000 a year. Currently in the UK its the other way around and the Ferrari will probably cost twice as much to tax despite doing no where near as much damage to the environment or our roads.

It also means misguided idiots can buy those crappy eco cars for low tax because they sip fuel and won't be charged as much road tax via the fuel as a normal car.
 
yes chop in my old car for 2k off a worse car (based on what i could reasonably afford), that happens to have a new license plate, no thanks ill keep my old luxury over new tat thanks
 
MG42Maniac said:
Why can we not tax the motorist like some other European countries do and charge them at the pump.

I.e A rep car that may be in a low tax bracket but does 30,000 miles a year will get taxed more than a Ferrari which does 2,000 a year. Currently in the UK its the other way around and the Ferrari will probably cost twice as much to tax despite doing no where near as much damage to the environment or our roads.

It also means misguided idiots can buy those crappy eco cars for low tax because they sip fuel and won't be charged as much road tax via the fuel as a normal car.
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Becasue the government wouldn't be able to keep their environmental credentials as they will need us to drive V8s to make up for their 2nd house and porn allowances.
 
platypus said:
What a stupid comment.
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Not particularly, only the "misguided idiots" bit. The actual point is decent - I bet most (although probably not all) people buying eco cars are doing so for the savings on the road tax and fuel. This wouldn't change if the tax was moved to the pumps as they'd use less fuel anyway.

I actually agree that the tax should be moved to the pumps. More polluting cars tend to drink more and will be taxed as such. Use the roads more, you pay more tax, sorted.

At least this'll stop this 50,000 tax bands based on a figure that you wouldn't know without looking it up rubbish.
 
Yes, I was just commenting on the 'idiots that buy eco cars for low tax that sip fuel' bit. I'll certainly be wanting an electric car when they're more viable for fuel economy.
 
LostPhil said:
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I bet most (although probably not all) people buying eco cars are doing so for the savings on the road tax and fuel. This wouldn't change if the tax was moved to the pumps as they'd use less fuel anyway.
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I'm not sure what the savings are on Vehicle Excise Duty (Road Tax) or how much of a saving they would typically expect to make at the pump, but I believe that "Eco" cars usually cost more up-front?

LostPhil said:
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I actually agree that the tax should be moved to the pumps. More polluting cars tend to drink more and will be taxed as such. Use the roads more, you pay more tax, sorted.
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I think that in effect, that is already happening is it not?

I suspect that the increased VED is designed to influence people's behaviour when they buy a new car.
 
stockhausen said:
I'm not sure what the savings are on Vehicle Excise Duty (Road Tax) or how much of a saving they would typically expect to make at the pump, but I believe that "Eco" cars usually cost more up-front?

I think that in effect, that is already happening is it not?

I suspect that the increased VED is designed to influence people's behaviour when they buy a new car.
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Eco cars generally don't pay any tax at all if they fall below a certain CO2 emmission level. I'm not sure if they have a premium, I've not looked at purchase prices since I barely have £2000 to buy cars with! I guess Hybrids may have a higher premium due to the additional engineering/electric gubbins but I doubt the diesels are since they usually just have bits like small engines and low rolling resistance tyres.

And yes, we pay tax at the pumps already but why do we pay VED on top of that? Makes little sense especially when you think of the enforcement costs and all that jazz.

Oh and don't get me wrong, I do see the point that they use it to influence the cars we buy. I was considering a ZS 180 or a ZT 190 until I saw what the road tax was forecasted to be! (about £400 soon I think? This was a little while ago so plans might've changed)
 
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