Lupo GTi
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You putting a hold on the car, then tried to negotiate?
I tried to haggle the price before offering any money, but the guy was basically saying that because the cambelt change, tyres and alloys will cost quite a bit to do then he's not willing to discount the car. He also knows that the car is rare and that it's not easy to get hold of a good one so I think he's sort of using that against me.. The £100 was paid to hold the car on the basis that they would do those repairs. The guy is going to confirm to me tomorrow and if I heard right then I *think* the £100 is refundable should he not agree to these repairs after he has checked out the condition of the car.
To be honest reading what I've just said sounds kinda silly, there wasn't a need to pay the £100 really as I highly doubt someone is going to come along tomorrow morning and buy the car. I'm not good at negotiating unfortunately and yes I'm sure the price could get much lower.. but if I don't have the negotiation skills then I don't see how can I get the price down on any car I look at? Looks like I may have just wasted £100...
I guess I want to upgrade my 1.4E to a GTi because of the speed and the 'rareness' of the car. It's a pricey upgrade, but I can't think of other cars that are just as fast/rare/have reasonable running costs/cheap insurance.
As to the Clio 182/Type-R suggestions... 1) They don't look as cute as the Lupo.. yes.. 'CUTE'!! 2) they are faster and I believe the insurance costs more (i'm 23 yrs old) and 3) the running costs will be higher? please do correct me if i'm wrong
I do around 250 miles a week (mostly motorway) so will probably go thru a lot of fuel. I checked the insurance for the GTi and its around £500, the Clio 182 around £690 and the Type-R £750.
And yes, 'he' is actually a 'she' thank you very much!
To be honest reading what I've just said sounds kinda silly, there wasn't a need to pay the £100 really as I highly doubt someone is going to come along tomorrow morning and buy the car. I'm not good at negotiating unfortunately and yes I'm sure the price could get much lower.. but if I don't have the negotiation skills then I don't see how can I get the price down on any car I look at? Looks like I may have just wasted £100...
I guess I want to upgrade my 1.4E to a GTi because of the speed and the 'rareness' of the car. It's a pricey upgrade, but I can't think of other cars that are just as fast/rare/have reasonable running costs/cheap insurance.
As to the Clio 182/Type-R suggestions... 1) They don't look as cute as the Lupo.. yes.. 'CUTE'!! 2) they are faster and I believe the insurance costs more (i'm 23 yrs old) and 3) the running costs will be higher? please do correct me if i'm wrong
I do around 250 miles a week (mostly motorway) so will probably go thru a lot of fuel. I checked the insurance for the GTi and its around £500, the Clio 182 around £690 and the Type-R £750.
And yes, 'he' is actually a 'she' thank you very much!
for mostly motorway it seems a very poor choice. Hard uncomfortable supension and being a GTi i assume its geared poorly aswell.
at which point
you advise him you'll have to think about this and walk away.
He's taken advantage of you because your female. He's played hard ball and you've fallen for it. Salesmen are professional liars, its their job to get you to pay as much for the car possible, whatever it takes. And you responded to this by putting a deposit down
So he now knows you really really want the car, despite him playing hardball for you. Which means you're likely to buy the car whatever happens
Id honestly consider loosing the holding fee and walk away, and think of it as a lesson learned. If the car price isnt right, and they refuse to budge. Walk away and go find another
if you cant find another, you'll probably find he'll be a bit more co-operative if you come back in a weeks time and you play hardball instead.
As I said, it really wouldnt be my choice, but after looking at adverts, they do appear to be going for that sort of cash so, although IMO its not the best option you wont be making a silly investment.
As for the deposit, if you havent signed anything saying its non refundable then they cant withold it should you decide not to go through with it. I would be concerned about how the car has been treated though if the wheels are in such bad condition. Refurbing isnt too expensive, I paid about 300 for all of mine to be done and those are 18s with a special finish
As for the deposit, if you havent signed anything saying its non refundable then they cant withold it should you decide not to go through with it. I would be concerned about how the car has been treated though if the wheels are in such bad condition. Refurbing isnt too expensive, I paid about 300 for all of mine to be done and those are 18s with a special finish
Hi all, I am hoping to get some advice from you guys about buying a used car...
Today I went to test drive a Lupo GTi and even paid £100 to hold the car as I liked it so much, but I am struggling to get the sales guy to nudge on the asking price of £6500. I still need to confirm tomorrow whether I am going to buy the car or not, but this depends if they are willing the carry out the repairs that I am asking them to do.
The car is 2003 registered, 03 plate, under 34k miles, 1 owner, full VW dealer service history except for the last sevice which was done by an independent garage. The sevice book doesnt indicate that the cambelt has been changed, the front tyres are worn down to around 2mm tread and the alloys are scuffed up pretty badly.
The sales guy responsible for this car said he needs to check the car tomorrow (as he was not at the showroom today, I spoke to him over the phone), and that he will confirm to me whether the cambelt and tyres need changing, and whether the alloys need refurbishing - if so, then this will all be done at the asking price of £6500 (including MOT, but he refuses to pay for road tax plus a full tank of petrol!!)
Now I'm not an expert with used cars, so i'm not sure if this is a reasonable price or not.. what do you guys think?
I currently own a lupo already (53 plate).. but its a bog standard 1.4E with no electric windows no nothing!!! I want the Lupo GTi so badly but if it means paying much more than I should then i'd rather lose out on the £100 I paid and move on to finding something better....
Any advice appreciated thanks!
Lupo GTI's are great cars - probably the most 'fun' car that have VW have made in the last 15 years (and that includes the latest Golf GTI's/R32's). They are still sought after for that very reason, so you'll always pay a bit of a premium to get one.
Even though the car has only done 34k miles, it is 5 years old and VW's cambelt change interval is 4 years. As there's no evidence of a previous cambelt change, I would only take the car on the condition that they change it. Also, ensure that they change the tyres and refurb the wheels. If they don't agree to any of those terms, don't be afraid to walk away -you'll find another one. Assuming that they do all these things, then £6.5k doesn't sound too unreasonable a price.
My advice is to go with your gut instinct. If you feel like you are getting ripped off by the dealer then don't go ahead. If you buy it and aren't happy with the deal, that'll only leave a bad taste in your mouth which will spoil your enjoyment of the car.
Hope this helps.
If you look at the facts & figures on parkers, a 182 wouldn't cost you too much more.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=20499
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=26763
Lupo GTI = 38MPG
182 = 34MPG
250 miles a week = 1000 miles a month, will cost you about £115 in the lupo and £128 in the 182 per month so £13 extra in fuel. This is £156 per year extra in fuel. Tax is an extra £25 per year.
Yes the running costs are slightly higher, but you're looking at spending £6500 on a car, so a £371 (25 tax + 156 fuel + 190 ins.) extra each year isn't a huge difference.
A quick glance on autotrader shows you can get 04 reg 182s with 40k for ~£5k, so you'd be saving £1500 compared to buying a lupo. That saving would offset the extra insurance/tax/fuel for the cost of ownership for 4 years.
I've not looked at type r's but the same may be true for those. Of course if the only car you want is a lupo then get one. If you really want one and won't be happy buying anything else, then get it, otherwise you will regret it and probabaly end up buying one 12 months down the line. I've ignored servicing costs for both as I have no idea about those either. Also these values don't take depreciation into account either, the lupo might not lose so much value compared to the 182, so the total cost of ownership may be different due to that. It's worth looking at the facts & figures and doing a few sums as monthly outgoings are more noticeable to us and can be misleading as to how much we are actually saving
http://forums.clublupo.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53547
'04 for the same cash.
I think they are brilliant little cars, but then again, I do own one! As above though, you could get a top notch 182 for that much.
'04 for the same cash.
I think they are brilliant little cars, but then again, I do own one! As above though, you could get a top notch 182 for that much.
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They're not as quick but have you had a look at one of these? As you can see much better value for money.
Another one to hit the salesman with is the pedal box recall that affected these and Polos, not sure if it applies specifically to the GTi so you'll have to do a bit of reading but basically the cable clutch mechanism put so much strain on the clutch pedal mount it would tear away from the bulkhead.
VW recalled a load of them and I think still fix them free of charge. Tell tale signs are the steering column moving when you depress the clutch. Either way, I'd try and use this to hit the guy up for more of a discount.
Couldn't agree more, when you buy a car you're supposed to have a warm fuzzy feeling about what you're just about to shell your hard earned on. Same as when you test drive it, you shouldn't walk out of a drive doubting it then spend money!
VW recalled a load of them and I think still fix them free of charge. Tell tale signs are the steering column moving when you depress the clutch. Either way, I'd try and use this to hit the guy up for more of a discount.
mea98rm said:
Couldn't agree more, when you buy a car you're supposed to have a warm fuzzy feeling about what you're just about to shell your hard earned on. Same as when you test drive it, you shouldn't walk out of a drive doubting it then spend money!
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I don't think the Lupo GTI with the 6 speed box was affected as it had an hydraulic clutch rather than cable. Not 100% certain on this however it was one of the reasons it was difficult to transplant the 6 speed box into a Polo GTI.
The main point to the OP is if she has tried the alternatives the main one being a Clio 182 as its a simlair type of car and still wants the Lupo GTI that is fair enough it is a good car. The one she has looked at is not massively over priced for a dealer if the the required work is done however I would have said with the work done and a years tax for 6k or no deal.
Surely the Clio is surely a class above the Lupo? The Lupo competes with the likes of the Seat Arosa (same car really), Fiat Panda, Ford Ka, Aygo/C1/107 etc. The Clio is in the same class as the 206, MG ZR etc.
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Its not much bigger on the inside but is does have a bigger boot, more a similair car that its the next biggest good hot hatch with a similair spec to the Lupo GTI. You could have a late 106 GTI however you can't even get aircon in them let alone Xenons.
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I spoke to the guy today and the result is……… he still won’t budge.
£6490 for the car, they will change the belt, replace front two tyres (not the rear tyres as he said they have 4mm/4.5mm of tread remaining),refurbish two of the alloys (I’m sure the other two have scratches too but probably not to the extent of needing a refurb) and touch up a 5p size scratch on one of the wing mirrors.
I asked him what tyres they will be providing and he said it depends what the supplier has in stock and that it’s difficult to get hold of tyres for this car... I said I would like the replacement tyres to match what is already on the car (Dunlops, around £100 each). I gave him the impression that I knew quite a bit about tyres to which point he said ‘don’t worry I won’t give you budget tyres’.
I spoke to the owner of the company (who is based in another location so had to speak via phone) and he said he personally wouldn’t have offered to make those repairs for that price and that he would rather refund me the £100 and buy elsewhere because they are already offering “more than they should have”. He said there are 3 other buyers wanting to get this car (which may be complete B’s).
So anyway, I have two options here… 1) get my £100 back and find another car (but I have been looking and can’t find any close to where I live and I prefer trade sales rather than private – I have trust issues….) or 2) get the car at £6490 (bearing in mind I still need to pay my own road tax… £175). What do you guys think???
I don’t think Type-R will be an option for me, my brother drives a 54 plate one and complains about the amount of fuel it drinks, and I think I will just be putting my own life in danger with the speed it produces… Clio 182 is nice, but I don’t know… just doesn’t seem as special? The Lupo GTi seemed to catch attention when I was test driving it, whereas I don’t think the Clio 182 will get the same attention somehow
I spoke to the guy today and the result is……… he still won’t budge.
£6490 for the car, they will change the belt, replace front two tyres (not the rear tyres as he said they have 4mm/4.5mm of tread remaining),refurbish two of the alloys (I’m sure the other two have scratches too but probably not to the extent of needing a refurb) and touch up a 5p size scratch on one of the wing mirrors.
I asked him what tyres they will be providing and he said it depends what the supplier has in stock and that it’s difficult to get hold of tyres for this car... I said I would like the replacement tyres to match what is already on the car (Dunlops, around £100 each). I gave him the impression that I knew quite a bit about tyres to which point he said ‘don’t worry I won’t give you budget tyres’.
I spoke to the owner of the company (who is based in another location so had to speak via phone) and he said he personally wouldn’t have offered to make those repairs for that price and that he would rather refund me the £100 and buy elsewhere because they are already offering “more than they should have”. He said there are 3 other buyers wanting to get this car (which may be complete B’s).
So anyway, I have two options here… 1) get my £100 back and find another car (but I have been looking and can’t find any close to where I live and I prefer trade sales rather than private – I have trust issues….) or 2) get the car at £6490 (bearing in mind I still need to pay my own road tax… £175). What do you guys think???
I don’t think Type-R will be an option for me, my brother drives a 54 plate one and complains about the amount of fuel it drinks, and I think I will just be putting my own life in danger with the speed it produces… Clio 182 is nice, but I don’t know… just doesn’t seem as special? The Lupo GTi seemed to catch attention when I was test driving it, whereas I don’t think the Clio 182 will get the same attention somehow
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he's taking advantage of you because you're a girl. He's refused to fix anything and youve put a holding fee down.
This to him says "ill still buy the car even if you dont fix anything".
Obviously, you dont want to buy a car thats ropey and in need of repair. Get your £100 back and wait. There will be others come up, possibly widen your search a bit and maybe travel ?
