Racial traits

gurusan · 2 May 2009 at 23:43

DSherry said:
No. Statisically even to the casual observer this is true.

Take the extreme of: Blacks DO dominate the 100m and whites DO dominate swimming.

There are reasons for this it doesn't just happen at random. Could be a social reason, cultural reason, genetic reasons

Due to slavery though? That is an absurd statement.

Morba · 2 May 2009 at 23:47

ninja_turtle said:
The reason that China have so many good table tennis players is because it is their national sport. This stems from when the emperor a long time ago decided that table tennis would be the official, and essentially only, passtime of China. Therefore it was the only sport that people played. And as such the tradition has kept, just like england's national sport is football, which is why we don't have as many good table tennis players.

However, it is clear to see that even though table tennis is a much more minor sport in the west, europe is home to the best table tennis players in history including Jan-Ove Waldner - the greatest ever player.

fella, it was more a joke than anything else.
i was going to make a point of saying about 3 different races in 3 different racquet sports, but its kinda lost now.
greenlizard0 got my post, looks like you didnt

englands national sport is cricket isnt it?

DSherry · 2 May 2009 at 23:47

gurusan said:
Due to slavery though? That is an absurd statement.

No it isn't an absurd statement and it is nothing new to people who study sport, it is just something normal people dare not say. Why is it predominantly African-Americans and blacks from the slave nations such as Jamaica that dominate the 100m, rather than people of west african descent in general?

Morba · 2 May 2009 at 23:49

because the americans pump lots of money into drugs that cant be picked up and the jamaicans don't follow the same testing procedures as the rest of the world

Deadly Ferret · 2 May 2009 at 23:50

I always thought the reason blacks are best at basketball is that...

Morba · 2 May 2009 at 23:54

Deadly Ferret said:
I always thought the reason blacks are best at basketball is that...

Win!

But when you can assist and steal like Stockton, you dont need to jump!

"andy" · 2 May 2009 at 23:54

its got as much to do with traditions and wealth in those countrys as it does race

. eastern europe and nordic areas are mad on weight lifting and the like. kids do it from an early age

for a lot of poorer black kids in the usa taking up a sport at a high level is there only way into further education . running , basketball and american football are cheap and easy to get into.

imo a lot of black countrys are poorer and cant afford the training for the equipment heavy events. swimming needs a pool and hi tec swimming gear these days , running is free

ninja_turtle · 2 May 2009 at 23:55

gurusan said:
Due to slavery though? That is an absurd statement.

He is not agreeing with or supporting slavery. He is simply stating a fact. Yes it was an unfortunate part of history. However, it is well known that slaves were chosen due to their physical atributes and thus the majority of Africans taken to America as slaves were more physically gifted.

DSherry · 3 May 2009 at 00:11

"andy" said:
its got as much to do with traditions and wealth in those countrys as it does race

. eastern europe and nordic areas are mad on weight lifting and the like. kids do it from an early age

for a lot of poorer black kids in the usa taking up a sport at a high level is there only way into further education . running , basketball and american football are cheap and easy to get into.

imo a lot of black countrys are poorer and cant afford the training for the equipment heavy events. swimming needs a pool and hi tec swimming gear these days , running is free

Denying the genetic differences is incredibly naive.

Morba · 3 May 2009 at 00:12

he isnt denying it

DSherry · 3 May 2009 at 00:21

Morba said:
he isnt denying it

You seem to be denying it though. It is an important factor. You can't say to me that genetics isnt a main reason why blacks in the USA or descended from the slave islands totally dominate the 100m. Or the reason why to my knowledge there has NEVER been a black individual finalist in any swimming event to take the two extremes

semi-pro waster · 3 May 2009 at 00:22

Out of curiousity what prompted this diatribe? You've made a statement as if it were an obvious point in response to someone, I'm not seeing anything to suggest it was even vaguely related to another post. Did you just feel you had to get your theory off your chest?

Morba · 3 May 2009 at 00:26

DSherry said:
You seem to be denying it though. It is an important factor. You can't say to me that genetics isnt a main reason why blacks in the USA or descended from the slave islands totally dominate the 100m. Or the reason why to my knowledge there has NEVER been a black individual finalist in any swimming event to take the two extremes

where am i denying it?
i've generally tried to not get too involved in actually contributing because as semi-pro has said (along with myself before), your post is odd at best.

genetics are the biggest part, all to do with muscle density and ratio of fast / slow twitch fibres.
no one here will deny that, no one would be stupid enough to.

DSherry · 3 May 2009 at 00:29

semi-pro waster said:
Out of curiousity what prompted this diatribe? You've made a statement as if it were an obvious point in response to someone, I'm not seeing anything to suggest it was even vaguely related to another post. Did you just feel you had to get your theory off your chest?

I'm sorry but labelling 'my theory' as 'diatribe', which infact isn't just mine and there are plenty of others who hold the same views but of course racist scientists would have you believe otherwise and the PC brigade would never allow this to be a common accepted theory.

How people can deny the significance of the extreme statistics in 100m running and swimming is beyond me.

Liefrich · 3 May 2009 at 00:32

DSherry said:
I'm sorry but labelling 'my theory', which infact isn't just mine and there are plenty of others who hold the same views but of course racist scientists would have you believe otherwise and the PC brigade would never allow this to be a common accepted theory.

How people can deny the significance of the extreme statistics in 100m running and swimming is beyond me.

Show me an academic article supporting your theory. If you can't you're just posting some nonesense you've heard at the pub.

DSherry · 3 May 2009 at 00:35

Liefrich said:
Show me an academic article supporting your theory. If you can't you're just posting some nonesense you've heard at the pub.

I'm not basing it on science there have been too many racist scientists who will alter the results. I've said that scientifically it may be disputed but statistically there is no way you cannot consider genetics to be playing a big role.

Liefrich · 3 May 2009 at 00:37

DSherry said:
I'm not basing it on science there have been too many racist scientists who will alter the results. I've said that scientifically it may be disputed but statistically there is no way you cannot consider genetics to be playing a big role.

What?

Why are Australians so good at sport considering they have a population of less than 30 million? It's because the government pumps money into sport, it has nothing to do with slavery.

DSherry · 3 May 2009 at 00:40

Liefrich said:
What?

Why are Australians so good at sport considering they have a population of less than 30 million? It's because the government pumps money into sport, it has nothing to do with slavery.

I don't see many white australians competing at world level in the 100m.

Morba · 3 May 2009 at 00:43

WHO is disputing genetics being a big factor?

Morba · 3 May 2009 at 00:44

DSherry said:
I don't see many white australians competing at world level in the 100m.

money gets spent on what the atheletes do best.
they wont pump lots of money into sprinting if there is no interest or anyone worthy of putting the money in.