Ricky 'Hitman' Hatton vs Manny 'Pacman' Pacquaio
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I quite agree with that statement, as a bystander to the support. However, it is down to the pride of Country and Men that people would obviously support their roots to win.
I've watched a handful of Ricky Hatton fights and this is quite possibly the poorest when up against Manny, lightning fast whilst Hatton was way, way too open about it. As usual, Ricky went aggro into the space whilst Manny just pick on him when he came.
That TKO blow came out of no where though!
As previous posters have said, perhaps it's time to hang up the gloves - there will always be mountain higher, just got to know when to stop.
Hatton was never any good apart from to his deluded fans.
He's looked terrible since way before the mayweather fight nevermind after it.
Whilst I respect his guts he has no business in the ring against elite boxers.
The only reason he held a 140lb belt was because he mawled and cheated his way through an old and rusty kostya tszyu with the help of a bias ref.
And that there were no good fighters at 140 during his reign what there were he ducked and avoided even ducked witter.
He's done so well having made so much money.
He's looked terrible since way before the mayweather fight nevermind after it.
Whilst I respect his guts he has no business in the ring against elite boxers.
The only reason he held a 140lb belt was because he mawled and cheated his way through an old and rusty kostya tszyu with the help of a bias ref.
And that there were no good fighters at 140 during his reign what there were he ducked and avoided even ducked witter.
He's done so well having made so much money.
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Where are all the people like you with their pre-fight predictions. These threads always get full with hindsight fans willing to pour their vast boxing knowledge after a fight.
As for the english thing, well did you see all those Filipino's grinding the country to a halt to take some pride in their sportsman. National pride is hardly a new thing and I don't believe we take it far enough compared to other countries.
Here was my thinking on it.
Ricky is a big guy for his weight class, strong, and a brutal body puncher. He was coming up against a guy who is naturally smaller, but a big puncher for his size.
I didnt think that Manny, for all his slick boxing, would have enough power to trouble Hatton. It took Manny a long time to wear down a shot ODLH, and I figured that Hatton would bring far more to the table than DLH did, and his shots, combined with his world class wrestling ability, would wear down Manny and sap away his power.
It was always clear that Ricky was going to get hit by Pacquaios blisteringly fast punches, I just didnt see those punches hurting him like they did.
As for the supporting him because hes english, thats not actually the reason I was hoping for a Hatton win. Too many boxers these days sit back, pad out their record with bums, has-beens and never-beens. Ricky has had his fair share of those during his career - but he has also had the balls to call out the big names too. He has taken on two top fighters, at their very prime. Ok, hes been found lacking, but at least he had the balls to do it. This is also why I'm cheering on David Haye against the Klitchsco (sp?) brothers.
Oh i agree, its really easy for me to come on here and say that hatton was terrible, how could he ever beat manny blah blah blah.
But i think my argument still stands, anyone who loves and follows boxing would have known that manny would win this fight, especially after seeing hatton in the mayweather fight.
manny & mayweather are both leagues ahead of hatton in terms of fitness, conditioning and pure boxing skill, as someone so eloquently put it earlier in the thread "a boxer will nearly always beat a brawler"
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its really easy for me to come in and say he wasn't close, however I said that BEFORE the fight IN THIS VERY THREAD also.
Infact most people knew he wouldn't come close. Honestly he was terrible from throwing LEFT HAYMAKERS, to getting no where near his punching, no speed, no defence, no thinking, no good movement. He moves his feet a lot, infact spends far to much time jumping around rather than weaving his upper body, hell he moves his lower body without even moving his upper/body head that much when he should be doing the exact opposite.
The punch that finished the fight, the first knock down, its hilarious he's actually throwing an UBER slow left haymaker, a slow punch with his defensive hand instead of his power hand. Pacman actually see's it coming, throws a devestating knock down blow and still moves out of the way of that slow haymaker. Hatton may aswell of just spat his mouthguard out and said if you want to end the fight, I'm about to throw the most ludicrous punch anyone has thrown in the history of boxing right now, come and get me.
A haymaker is bad enough, with the weaker arm is stupid, with the defensive arm is insane, against one of the fastest hand speed boxers in the world is suicidal to be completely honest.
Theres one other thing that truly astonishes me and also makes me think Hatton is getting worse rather than better, his freaking idiotic weight gain/loss between each fight. Other fighters simply improve an already good physique getting ever better. This isn't a young mans sport, the best fighters with the best endurance and the most ability to take punches are older guys, they continue to train throughout their careers and don't slack off for so long between fights. I think thats just another reason Hatton will never ever get close to being truly great, he's not remotely serious enough and has been quite literally throwing away any chance of continued improvement with his attitude between fights.
Just goes to show to be honest just how tough De La Hoya must be to knock down, he withstood, lets be honest, about 10 times the amount of punishment Hatton took, thought he at least kept his hands up.
EDIT:_ just seen another replay of the 2nd knockdown, he actually hits him through hattons glove in the head and still hurt him that bad, thats pretty damn impressive.
Hell, Mayweather vs Pacman, can't wait, can't wait at all, could be truly fantastic. Oh, as I said before also Hatton need's to be a counter puncher, every true great is(when they need to be). the last fight Pacman got in a little trouble, was against a counter puncher.
Not sure Hatton should hang up his gloves though, to be fair he can still make a ludicrous living fighting so-so boxers and for the lesser sought after titles, deluded english fans will still pay through the teeth to see him box in Manchester no matter the opposition. But if there was any question about his title ambitions before this fight for real boxing fans, they are completely gone. I think the first trainer got it all wrong, bit off WAY more than he can chew with Mayweather and realistically Hatton had to go big to get any credibility back, he should never have gone as high as a Mayweather to start with.
Infact most people knew he wouldn't come close. Honestly he was terrible from throwing LEFT HAYMAKERS, to getting no where near his punching, no speed, no defence, no thinking, no good movement. He moves his feet a lot, infact spends far to much time jumping around rather than weaving his upper body, hell he moves his lower body without even moving his upper/body head that much when he should be doing the exact opposite.
The punch that finished the fight, the first knock down, its hilarious he's actually throwing an UBER slow left haymaker, a slow punch with his defensive hand instead of his power hand. Pacman actually see's it coming, throws a devestating knock down blow and still moves out of the way of that slow haymaker. Hatton may aswell of just spat his mouthguard out and said if you want to end the fight, I'm about to throw the most ludicrous punch anyone has thrown in the history of boxing right now, come and get me.
A haymaker is bad enough, with the weaker arm is stupid, with the defensive arm is insane, against one of the fastest hand speed boxers in the world is suicidal to be completely honest.
Theres one other thing that truly astonishes me and also makes me think Hatton is getting worse rather than better, his freaking idiotic weight gain/loss between each fight. Other fighters simply improve an already good physique getting ever better. This isn't a young mans sport, the best fighters with the best endurance and the most ability to take punches are older guys, they continue to train throughout their careers and don't slack off for so long between fights. I think thats just another reason Hatton will never ever get close to being truly great, he's not remotely serious enough and has been quite literally throwing away any chance of continued improvement with his attitude between fights.
Just goes to show to be honest just how tough De La Hoya must be to knock down, he withstood, lets be honest, about 10 times the amount of punishment Hatton took, thought he at least kept his hands up.
EDIT:_ just seen another replay of the 2nd knockdown, he actually hits him through hattons glove in the head and still hurt him that bad, thats pretty damn impressive.
Hell, Mayweather vs Pacman, can't wait, can't wait at all, could be truly fantastic. Oh, as I said before also Hatton need's to be a counter puncher, every true great is(when they need to be). the last fight Pacman got in a little trouble, was against a counter puncher.
Not sure Hatton should hang up his gloves though, to be fair he can still make a ludicrous living fighting so-so boxers and for the lesser sought after titles, deluded english fans will still pay through the teeth to see him box in Manchester no matter the opposition. But if there was any question about his title ambitions before this fight for real boxing fans, they are completely gone. I think the first trainer got it all wrong, bit off WAY more than he can chew with Mayweather and realistically Hatton had to go big to get any credibility back, he should never have gone as high as a Mayweather to start with.
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That's easy to understand, surely? Although I agree with your line of thinking and nationalities never came into my thinking even once. I just wanted to see a good boxing match. Sadly one guy came up wanting badly. He happened to be English.
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I knew there was no way Hatton would do it, I think this is Hatton's last fight!
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TO be perfectly honest I think we're at the stage where a rematch against either of those two, or really against anyone in their league is getting into dangerous Roach/Ali future territory. HE simply can't take punches like those for a bit of money, he's asking for trouble. He can certainly take fights with lesser guys for money, the way english fans follow him he's got years of fights and millions left to make, 10's of millions most likely. But he honestly can't take a fight like that again. I think he'll see footage of how he was after the fight was called because he was glass eye'd, awake but completely unresponsive. He has to, hopefully, see that he can't afford that to happen again at all.
The difference is the Ali's and people weren't particularly rich, and were around in the days that fighters weren't making 10's of millions for winning such a fight. He's financially sound, he should pay a good trainer, spend 3-4 years training to be a proper boxer and then try a few fights and see how it goes. He's not old, theres time to rework his style, he just can't go into fights like that right now because he'll end up seriously hurt.
FAir play to Roach though, parkinsons is a horrible disease but he's still working, doing well, fantastic work. He comes across as arrogant but he needs to be portraying complete unwavouring confidence so thats what his fighter feels. He doesn't speak utter crap, knows exactly whats going on and seems an ok guy to me. Has Mayweather senior got something wrong aswell as he speaks rather slurred/slow. If hatton takes more fights just for money he's a complete **** tbh, hopefully his trainers/friends don't encourage him to do so.
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Only one place he should go and thats into enjoying his retirement his level has been well and truely exposed he'll never get a shot at the top top fights again so really don't see a point in carrying on.
I actually think he's probably on the decline anyway and is going to get himself seriously hurt if he did continue, he was damn lucky he didn't tonight.
Had a good LOL this morning listening to five live when they asked Freddie Roach if he thought Amir Khan would ever fight Pacman
Only when he's about 45 like when he fought Barrera else he'd be killed in about 30 seconds.
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Anyone got a video of the game? Or highlights?
tbh. He was abit overconfident leading upto the game which makes it a lot worse that he lost
tbh. He was abit overconfident leading upto the game which makes it a lot worse that he lost
Hatton hasn't got the intelligence to out box a worldclass boxer. All he can hope for is to get a lucky punch early on and weaken his opponent.
He's tried that twice now against two much better boxers and has come out on the wrong end.
He's got no game plan, lacks true speed and cannot take as much as he can give, put that with his metal abilities and he falls apart at the top level...bit like Amir only at least Ricky can KO someone decent.
Pound for pound Ricky Hatton is the thickest boxer on the planet...enjoy your retirement Ricky.
He's tried that twice now against two much better boxers and has come out on the wrong end.
He's got no game plan, lacks true speed and cannot take as much as he can give, put that with his metal abilities and he falls apart at the top level...bit like Amir only at least Ricky can KO someone decent.
Pound for pound Ricky Hatton is the thickest boxer on the planet...enjoy your retirement Ricky.
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Well I now have a headache and stayed up till 5 this morning, for THAT!?
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Well I'm up after a very disappointing P vs. H fight. Good job I never paid for it
Now as I said, just about to tuck into my fried breakfast! The food ricky can have now he will retire with a bruised ego!
Oh nomm nom nom nom.
£15 down the pan
