CBT, confused

Once again, your CBT certificate is valid for both automatic and manual gearboxes; only the full test has gearbox limitations.

Whether or not you actually possess the ability to ride a geared motorbike is another point entirely and I would suggest some practice in a car park before hitting the open road.

This, I took my CBT on a 50cc twist & go, "passed," got home and hopped on my geared bike. There is no limitations as found when taking you car test in an automatic. It its afterall compulsory BASIC training. Im supprised by how they treated your other half, did you book with them direct or like when I took mine via a dealer? I had abit of a knob when I took my CBT, riding round car park being stopped every couple of laps. One instructor stopped me, told me that I was doing well and to up the speed to 20mph. Few laps later the other stopped me and had ago because I was riding too fast.
 
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My son had issues on his cbt (him properly geared and riding a geared bike) and 5 neds on scooters and trainers) he was not given the time and even though he did well he was not given a cert even though the neds had fallen off and been generaly crap all day .

But on the plus side he was given another full day free with one to one tuition and got his cbt . Also the cbt was a full day (9 hrs) not the 4hrs some other trainers give .

Regards

Persil
 
When I did my CBT there was a guy who wasn't deemed good enough to go on the road, but instead of being left behind one of the instructors stayed with him and they spent the afternoon in the yard continuing to practice whilst we went on the roads.

This is what should have happened, they should be giving her all the encouragement and tuition she requires, not just fobbing her off.

I would kick up a right stink and explain that unless she gets a different tutor, with the training free (as you only got half of it!!), then you will take it further. It sounds like the instructor couldn't be arsed to show your wife and instead wanted to take the others out on the roads.

They should only really run a 2 trainees - 1 instructor anyway, otherwise the training wouldn't be sufficient.
 
This is what should have happened, they should be giving her all the encouragement and tuition she requires, not just fobbing her off.

I would kick up a right stink and explain that unless she gets a different tutor, with the training free (as you only got half of it!!), then you will take it further. It sounds like the instructor couldn't be arsed to show your wife and instead wanted to take the others out on the roads.

They should only really run a 2 trainees - 1 instructor anyway, otherwise the training wouldn't be sufficient.

I've not seen anywhere that does 2:1 on CBT - I had two trainees to one instructor for most of my DAS but its normally larger groups for CBT.

also you cant always leave an instructor behind as this may compromise the rest of the group.
 
The annoying this is that we're now faced with paying a further £60 for another day's training when we have already paid £130 for what is supposed to be a day's training which turned out to be 4hrs before the rest of them went off on the road, leaving her sitting on the steps waiting for me to collect her.


At least she is not out on the road about to be squashed & also You haven't had to tell her how Crap & Dangerous she is, I'd ring the place up & Thank them if I was you as you owe them. :p

Chill Dude get the 60 out & get her to praccy more as she is Obviously completely inept at riding bikes. :D + :p:p:p
 
Not talking about span adjustable levers. I'm talking about adjusting the cable so the biting point isn't at the very tips of her fingers.

I had to do this to make the bite point less brutal when I first learnt.
Sucks that they didnt help her more.

Personally I dont think that one day going from not being able to ride a bike at all to being allowed on the road is particulaly safe regardless of how long youve been driving etc so maybe she's best having the second lesson?
 
Well, she went back today.
She's doing the CBT on a scoot to get it over with. We'll then buy a geared 125 and we can take all the time in the world to for her to learn it then.

*Grumbles about new rules and how back in his day it was an hour round some cones then out on the road*
 
Well, she went back today.
She's doing the CBT on a scoot to get it over with. We'll then buy a geared 125 and we can take all the time in the world to for her to learn it then.

*Grumbles about new rules and how back in his day it was an hour round some cones then out on the road*

It was the same in 2007 :p
 
Let us know how she does Rilot.

My story is as follows:
* I hadnt ridden a motorcycle/moped/scooter of any type before, but had done 1000s of miles on bicycles.
* I took a CBT on a 50cc moped, but couldnt get the hang of it in the first half of the day. Hence, I didnt have the confidence to go out on the road with it.
* I then decided that it would be pointless for me to get a CBT on an automatic moped or scooter, as I wanted to ride a manual bike.
* I then booked another CBT, but this time on a manual (most places use the Honda CG125). I failed that CBT, as I was struggling to maintain control of the bike when changing gears, indicating and manouvring the bike into position. U-turns and figure-8's were fine.
* I then took 2 lessons, specifically to build up my confidence, particularly when changing gears and indicating.
* I then took my CBT on the geared 125cc bike, which I passed with ease.

The private lessons made a MASSIVE difference, as I was able to concentrate on doing what I wanted to build up my confidence and was given time to practise on the bike - getting time in the saddle is very important as it improves your bike control.

I believe it to be very dangerous when people take CBTs on automatic scooters/mopeds and then go home with the intention of riding manual bikes. There is a big difference between the 2 machines and all because you can ride a scooter, doesnt mean you are competent to ride a manual bike, on the road - you need off road practise first.

I now own a Honda CBR125, which handles easily, without any problems.

For any newbie, its always going to be difficult initially, to get good clutch control (I'm still learning/improving) and each bike is different, so may take a while to adjust to.
 
She passed.
We're now gonna buy her a proper bike and I'll teach her how to ride it. Means I can set the controls up for her (She's only 5' tall and 6 stone you see).
 
Wow. She must be very slim.

But great to hear that things worked out better for her when she used the scooter/moped.

Also, another thing to consider is that automatic scooters are preferred by many. Did she feel more comfortable on the manual bike or the scooter?

I have to say that if there were nice motorbikes that were fully automatic (with super acccurate, computer calculated gear changes), I would prefer my bike to have this. I'd much rather a computer decide when the best time to change gear is, rather than me. Unfortunately, these dont exist and manual motorbikes are the way to go if you want to ride nice looking bikes.
 
Wow. She must be very slim.

But great to hear that things worked out better for her when she used the scooter/moped.

Also, another thing to consider is that automatic scooters are preferred by many. Did she feel more comfortable on the manual bike or the scooter?

I have to say that if there were nice motorbikes that were fully automatic (with super acccurate, computer calculated gear changes), I would prefer my bike to have this. I'd much rather a computer decide when the best time to change gear is, rather than me. Unfortunately, these dont exist and manual motorbikes are the way to go if you want to ride nice looking bikes.

Erm, what if your banking round a corner and it suddenly changes gear, you would get a jerk midway which could be very unsettling.
 
Congrats to your misses btw

Also something i would still like to clearup. If i got a CBT, but didn't ride ANYTHING, would the CBT last for life (i have a full drivers license). It says it will only last 2 years if you ride a geared bike, but will last for life if you ride a moped. What if you ride nothing?
 
Erm, what if your banking round a corner and it suddenly changes gear, you would get a jerk midway which could be very unsettling.

The computer would need to be intelligent enough to know that if the bike is tilted beyond a certain angle then it wouldnt change as it might be dangerous to do so. Alternatively, the manufacturers would need to make the (automatic) gear change so smooth that even while going through the corner, the rider hardly feels the change.
 
Congrats to your misses btw

Also something i would still like to clearup. If i got a CBT, but didn't ride ANYTHING, would the CBT last for life (i have a full drivers license). It says it will only last 2 years if you ride a geared bike, but will last for life if you ride a moped. What if you ride nothing?

The CBT only lasts 2 years and then you'd need to do it again or complete the full test.

And Automatic bikes? no, get a tin box if you want lazyness :p
 
She was more comfortable on the scooter but she says she wants a proper bike. She's not done it for the trundling around town aspect, she wants to be out on the road with me you see.
It wasn't the actual changing gears that was the problem. It was the physical limitations of her small body that made it difficult to operate the clutch, set up how it was.
 
Hey guys, if I just take lessons on a hired bike do I still need to do the CBT?

I used to ride a 125 years ago before I got my drivers license and I even went for my bike test, but had to forfeit because I forgot my insurance documents. Never bothered putting in for it after that and ended up selling the bike as I got my drivers license.
 
You can take your lessons on a hired bike, irrespective of the CBT, however, to go out on the road (even with an instructor), you will need a CBT. Hence, during these lessons you will be limited to off-road riding (in a secluded car park like area).

When I was taking lessons, before my CBT, I asked the instructor if I could do 15 mins of road riding, but he informed that this was not possible until I had the CBT certificate OR was attempting to attain my CBT (during the road riding part of the CBT).
 
Does the CBT really take 6 to 8 hours, even if you've ridden bikes on the road in the past?
 
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