Old people should be made to retake a test.

:D I was at South Mimms services over the weekend waiting in the car whilst Mrs Skidd had a wee. Saw this old lady reversing out of a parking space - she stalled it no less than 9 times - getting more and more desperate as the traffic built up.

How I laughed..... :)


But seriously, I'm all for those who are clearly a danger being removed\retested. This is what? 5% of elderly road users? It's a tough one.

My late grandfather (in Canada) was driving until he was mid-80's - and was very dangerous on the road. Poor public transport\vast distances\remote homes meant that they were reluctant to remove such licenses. Not exactly the case in the UK as people have pointed out!
 
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Saw this old lady reversing out of a parking space - she stalled it no less than 9 times -

i saw a old lady stall 2 times yesterday while parking in a garage carpark. i laughed, then tried to pull away in 3rd and stalled myself.

epic fail moment :(:p
 
compulsory re-tests for all in my oppinion

just getting more frequent as you get older.

As much as I'd hate it myself - I'm all for this if it keeps some of the idiots off the streets.
 
i saw a old lady stall 2 times yesterday while parking in a garage carpark. i laughed, then tried to pull away in 3rd and stalled myself.

epic fail moment :(:p

more like lack of torx fail ;)

i've pulled away in 3rd a few times, wondering why it's not going anywhere :o
 
Old people will, for the most part not have photocards, so the 10 year expiry thing is irrelevant. The licences do expire at 70 and I'm fairly sure there's a medical you have to do to get it renewed, though it's pretty simple.

Agree with the posts that there are bad drivers of all ages. I've often said that the difference between an old driver and a teenager driving is that both will pull out in front of you without looking, but the teenager will be going twice as fast and then floor it out of your way wheras the old person will continue to wind you up as they plod along at 40mph.

The problem is that the young driver will get better over the years as they build up experience and calm down a bit, the old driver (who has reached that state) is only going to get progressively worse, and that simple fact is why it's worth looking at targeting old drivers.

The reason old drivers pay less insurance is the same reason that women pay less insurance, it's not because they are necessarily safer, it's because statistically they do less miles and cost less money when they have an accident.

Personally I'd favour a test where they just give you a set destination (or even a choice of destinations) and follow you on a motorbike or in a car, if you can get to where you're going without doing anything obviously stupid or illegal then you pass. No need for examiners to ride with you or anything intrusive like that.

The beauty of this kind of test is that something very similar could be administered at any time by an unmarked copper who could then pull you over if they thought you were dangerous. If only we had some real police on the roads then there wouldn't be any need for compulsory re-tests of old people.


Oh yeah, obligatory old person anecdote:

Heading down the A5 many years back, it's a dual carriageway section that goes downhill, then uphill again, and at the bottom there is a minor road joins from the left. Stupid codger not only pulls in front of us without looking, he's turning right, so waits across both lanes for a gap in the heavy flow of traffic that's coming the other way. Had to go around the back of him using the mouth of the major road to avoid a crash.
 
i havent read all the posts yet so this might have been covered (will read later when i get home)
something that people are maybe missing is theses old drivers were once young drivers, maybe they were that bad always, just getting old does not make you a bad driver, that can be the case regardless of age, how many teens pull out at the wrong time? wont go thru gaps that could fit a very large bus.
so maybe the OP old guy just was a bad driver, he just happened to be old aswell.
 
just getting old does not make you a bad driver, that can be the case regardless of age

Indeed, bad driving is a problem that affects all ages.

Getting old does, in many cases, eventually make you blind, deaf and/or senile and these can go undetected for many years. Currently it is the responsibility of GPs to inform the DVLA if they believe that their patient is no-longer competent to drive but many GPs do not do this

Another anecdote, this time from an acquaintance who was involved in a crash with an old person. The police officer who attended asked if he could read the number plate on that car 20 metres away, his response: "what car?"

Turned out he had quite advanced cataracts in both eyes.
 
only 20lb's less torque than you but still :o

20lb's less peak torque ;) . Need quite a lot of revs to get the torque in the Fiesta/Focus ST engines. I let my girlfriend have a quick drive around the block in my ST170 and she stalled it twice just trying to set off (though she's only ever driven a diesel before, so it's understandable).
 
Another anecdote, this time from an acquaintance who was involved in a crash with an old person. The police officer who attended asked if he could read the number plate on that car 20 metres away, his response: "what car?"

Turned out he had quite advanced cataracts in both eyes.

Good god :(


I had an elderly driver play ping pong in a car park a couple of years ago. He managed to hit 5 cars including mine ("lost control of the car" - no ****). I was at work at the time and came back to find a dent in the side and someones entire front bumper left near it. Took the whole thing down the Police station. Luckily he has given in all details and there was no problem dealing with repairs, but I get the feeling he won't have been taken off the road or anything.
 
I've just got back from uni and on my way back there was quite a lot of traffic, stood still for about 5 mins. Anyway this old polo decides to try and reverse back past all the traffic hitting an Astra.. The Astra driver gets out and the green polo tries to drive off in the middle of a traffic jam, the person in the Astra opens the door and presumably asks him WTF he's doing as I drive past he's an old and confused looking chap then he starts reversing up a curb while the bloke still has his door open! Old people..
 
How come they are paying '£5' in insurance if they have allegedly caused so many accidents? Are old people exempt from no claims bonuses and general risk assesment?

They're not. Once they get past 70 the cost starts to rise again and after 75 a lot of companies won't insure them as new business and do their best to get rid of existing ones if they claim.
 
Rubbish, you're discriminated against the moment they use statistics to decide how much to charge you....

90% of your post certainly is..

Insurance is entirely based on the mathematics & science of statistics. That's not discrimination that's HOW INSURANCE WORKS.

instutue of insurers statistics

As I stated, removing drivers under the age of 30 would prevent more accidents than anything done to old people.
Sorry, get your facts right before claiming mine are rubbish.
 
Insurance is entirely based on the mathematics & science of statistics. That's not discrimination that's HOW INSURANCE WORKS.

instutue of insurers statistics

As I stated, removing drivers under the age of 30 would prevent more accidents than anything done to old people.
Sorry, get your facts right before claiming mine are rubbish.

What your statistics don't show is that the people in the younger drivers category were probably driving like ****holes knowingly or simply didn't have enough experience yet. A lot of the older drivers (certainly a lot that I see, driving every day) simply cannot drive properly, full stop!
 
Insurance is entirely based on the mathematics & science of statistics. That's not discrimination that's HOW INSURANCE WORKS.

Just because that is how it works doesn't stop it from being discrimination, nor does using all caps, perhaps the following link will help you.

http://www.answers.com/discrimination

instutue of insurers statistics

As I stated, removing drivers under the age of 30 would prevent more accidents than anything done to old people.

And I said that all it would do is move those figures to the new lowest age group so what's your point?

Sorry, get your facts right before claiming mine are rubbish.

What facts? It was all opinion except the discrimination bit, hopefully you'll take the time to read the definition of the word this time around before getting all uppity because I dissagreed with you and pointed out an error in your understanding of the English language.
 
Insurance is entirely based on the mathematics & science of statistics. That's not discrimination that's HOW INSURANCE WORKS.

It's still discrimination regardless of if it's legal or if there's stats to back it up. The only reason that nobody really kicks up a huge fuss is that the groups they are discriminating against are the groups that it's ok to discriminate against, ie men, young people, people in high status jobs and people in low status jobs (and the unemployed)

I suspect this is also why insurance companies don't collect or act upon any data on ethnic origin, if they did then the issue would rapidly come to a head.
 
My own granny got hers taken of her, after driving out at the top of our road infront of a car and hitting it and then driving off!!!


The police arrived 30 mins later and took it from her there and then.
 
I had a very close shave today with an old man driving a Rover 400 (Blue.) He tried to enter the lane I was travelling in due to another driver (yellow) filtering off into the right lane slowly. He didn't check his blind spot and missed my front driver side by centimetres.

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I had one a little while back, old codger in a metro pulled out of a side road without looking,
I was on my bike, now I know bikes are harder to see but i'm six foot and big with it on a big cruiser with loud pipes.

he pulls out, thankfully its a 30 and quiet (early in the morning) I'm close enough that my only option even at that speed is to weave around him (if it had been busy would have gunned the throttle to get out and in again)

so i weave to the other carriageway and blast the horn, visibility is good so I sit there, old fool still hasnt noticed me even with me souinding my horn so I tap on his driver side window (no alpha style keyboard warrior road rage) at this point he notices me, soils himself and I wag my finger and leave him be.

If he'd done it to me in a 60 then i'd have been off and over.
 
I think some sort of compulsory re-tests, taking health, especially eyesight into acccount would be necessary for all drivers!
 
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